Depends on the circumstances. In the current circumstances, I think a vote for Biden is, as much as possible, a vote for progressivism, no matter which state you live in.
Someone else described voting as a bus route map. Pick the bus that’s going to get you closest to where you want to go. The Trump bus is going to take you in the opposite direction from where you want to go. The Biden bus might not get you all the way there, but it’s going to get you a lot closer than just saying screw it and staying home.
I’m not going to not vote. I might put a write-in in, or I might go Green. The bus analogy really doesn’t work. I’m not voting for Trump. I’m supporting a 3rd party or an individual I think should be president.
Much better energy and vibe last night. Looks like the women are going to carry the convention, Michelle, Kamala, AOC, Jill even Amy got in some good shots. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Or you could vote Biden, and be a part of sending a message to the country that Trump is so, so awful that we’re landsliding him out of office. That’s what I’d recommend. Vote Biden, and then vote for the most progressive candidate in the next primary.
Why? NY is safe. I’m disgusted with the people who think I owe them my vote. Why would I. F them. There’s no GOOD reason for me, personally, to vote for Biden.
Straight up, you could support the individual you think should be president by lighting a candle and saying a prayer over it, and that would have just as much an effect on the world as voting for them would. So maybe light two candles and say two prayers, be twice as effective, and then go cast a vote for Joe Biden, which will actually move the needle a tiny bit.
A vote’s not a Valentine. It’s not an endorsement. It’s not a trophy. It’s nothing more than a tiny means to an end.
Seriously? Get the fuck over yourself. I live NY… I’m safe from not voting Biden… Your plea makes me want to vote for him less because you think you’re entitled to tell me how to vote.
That’s some terrible voting reasoning, pal. Not voting in a reasonable way because some rando made you fussy? Come on, do better.
And you’re right, your vote in NY is insignificant here. Unless you make it significant. You can make a real difference by finding someone in a swing state who loathes BIden but loves (for example) Vermin Supreme. Offer that person a trade: if they’ll cast their vote for Biden, you’ll cast yours for Vermin Supreme. Win win!
Vote with strategy, not with a bag of trophies.
Also “owing your vote” is nonsensical, and as long as you see it in those terms, you 100% won’t be entering the same conversation I am. You don’t owe your vote to any candidate, it’s not a debt, they’re not your family member.
What you owe is to other human beings, to try to nudge society in a slightly less terrible direction. Figure out how you can do that with your actions; the vote is one of those actions.
It’s not about owing a vote – it’s about what kind of message you want to send. If you want to help landslide Trump out of office, then vote Biden. More importantly, perhaps, if you want to help ensure Trump loses, then be sure to send a message to other voters (some of whom might be in swing states) that doesn’t potentially dissuade them from voting for the only candidate that can defeat Trump.
If you owe anything to anyone, it’s to yourself, your family, and the future of this country. If you think helping landslide Trump out of office would help you, your family, or the future of this country, then you “owe” it to yourself/family/future to vote for Biden.
Thank you for talking to me rationally. I’d really like to send the message to the DNC that that they’re not entitled to my vote even under these circumstances. They shit on progressives all the time. They don’t even try. They can go f themselves.
It shows that one that supports these other causes and that they might be more popular come next time.
I’m willing to change my mind, but don’t patronize me. And don’t act like I owe you anything. It just seems to me the most logical to go with who I want to instead of who I supposedly have to.
Your right… They were very disrespectful. But I wouldn’t let it effect my vote one way or the other. If they tried to tell me WHY they didn’t agree… I wouldn’t want to them her to fuck off. (ThelmaLou)
OK, MyFootsZZZ. As I understand your point, you’re unhappy that the progressive wing of the Democratic Party isn’t being adequately represented. That’s fine and I understand. It’s your vote and you’re free to cast it or not as you see fit. But I believe this election isn’t really about progressive policies vs. conservative policies, it’s about democracy vs. authoritarianism. The number one priority for casting my vote is to ensure that there will be a chance to cast a vote in the next cycle. The threat of what a second term of DJT could pose to democracy is compelling. He must be defeated and defeated soundly so as to discourage future dictator wannabes. Every single vote for Biden is a vote against dictatorship. The votes even in safe states matter, this election must speak with a resounding voice that we stand for democracy. Every single vote makes that margin bigger and that voice louder. Please consider adding your vote and your voice to save democracy.
I don’t get this feeling at all. I think they do like her. They’re just not at the same place in the relationship.
One of the feelings I get is one of caution. It’s people who are afraid of flying too close to the sun because there are real penalties for that. Her plans are very bold and very ambitious and have a high degree of risk of failure and that’s too much risk for some people. And the party is responsible and responsive to a very big tent - it’s going to err on the side of risk adversity.
Also, political parties are creatures of seniority. She’s been a Representative for two years where the average tenure is over 10 - and there are a considerable number of people who have been there over 40. While that’s a selling point to a lot of her constituents, it also means that the party is just barely getting to know her. And there are also a lot of people who have put in more time and more work than she has (just by virtue of having been around longer).
I don’t see “don’t like” I see the relationship moving too slowly for one side and too quickly for the other and conflict arising out of that.