There are some Democrats in the Bible Belt.
:rolleyes:
Or, even more cynically, “Maybe he’s not a Muslim but he’d certainly be lying about it if he were.”
Obama is, in all likelihood, an atheist. As are a lot of priests and ‘normal’ people. There’s a good chance many Presidents, Prime Ministers, scientists and people were before him. Maybe even Jesus was, and wanted people to get along.
You left out the most direct - Kenyan, along with all the birth certificate inanity that goes along with it. “Doesn’t love America, wasn’t raised to” is pretty damn plain, too, right, Rudy?
If he isn’t a Christian, then what is he? If he’s a Muslim, what thread of Islam does he relate to? That’s a lot more important than if he is or isn’t, but you probably don’t understand that.
Which raises the question about the other party affiliations that believe deep down he’s really a muslim -
:smack: There’s an argument that some of the self indentifying independents are Republican leaning and just opposed to the parties/big government but fit reasonably with the Republicans dislike of Obama. 10% of Democrats shocked me though. Maybe we’re talking about all blue collar, white, labor Democrats that only fit in the tent because of some economic liberalism, but still… It’s harder to see them as hating his politics and thus tarring him with “muslim.” Bizarre.
It’s also interesting that only 45% of Democrats take him his public statements about religion as being the reality of his beliefs. American cynicism about our politicians public statements and behaviors is alive and well.
I had a guy at the office suggest, in all seriousness, that Obama is “the secret leader of ISIS.”
So I have no problem believing the stat, on the face of it.
Do a considerable percentage of the population want to live in an episode of 24?
Not really. The armed forces seem to be an odd mix of the guys who force you buy more A-10s (so they get their kick-backs) and the guys stuck with having to use more A-10s. There never any openings for the former, the millionaire tax cheats;
just openings for the latter, who get their asses shot off regularly keeping the Beltway Suits on track for their quarterly bonuses.
Now, you want to tempt me with a nice DOJ position so I can help fill all those empty offices and cubicles with right-thinking military industrial complex types? Fine, you go right ahead.
I have a nice building for them all picked out in the scenic and beautiful Heartland of America…
I was addressing the ape, Sir.
Democrats don’t care at all. We’d be fine if he were Jewish, Muslim, Christian, atheist, Odinist, or even one of the mild varieties of Satanist. We’re the ones who believe in the separation of church and state, so, as long as he does also, we don’t give two shits what he believes in his private life.
Republicans care, and this thread is alarming because Republicans don’t believe in separation of church and state (note the recent proposal by Republicans to declare Idaho as a “Christian State.” Democrats don’t do that garbage.)
Actually, if any of you people took the time to read EITHER of Obama’s books, you’d know that he spent 4 years when he was a child living in Indonesia (a Muslim country), attended a public school there, and is therefore VERY familiar with (an admittedly relatively liberal) Muslim culture. He lived with his mother and Muslim stepfather during his time there.
So yeah, there’s that. But I don’t think he’s a Muslim. I think he’s just a typical ambitious politician, who would have done a better job as POTUS if he had waited another 20 years or so and gained the wisdom of age.
The problem isn’t that people like him exist. The problem is that they vote, raise children, and occasionally teach Sunday school, teach public school, coach Little League, etc… We don’t need people like that influencing children OR public policy.
I presume you’re referring to this:
This “license to stray from the President’s self-reported Christian faith” was extended equally to all respondents, was it not? Why, I wonder, was it only Republicans who were so overwhelmingly bamboozled and manipulated by this leading question?
It’s the “deep down” thing that gets me. That implies you are unaware of your own religious beliefs. Is is kinda like those people who think all atheists “deep down” really believe in God?
As for Democrats not believing Obama is Christian: there are two issues here. One, what do they mean by Christian? Are they using the self-identification rules, or a more stringent definition, one that classifies a lot of professing Christians as not being Christian? For those people, Obama could think he is a Christian, but they think his actions show he really isn’t “born again” and thus is not a Christian.
But even if they do mean self-identification: We know he was a Christian at one point in his life, but is he still? When is the last time he claimed he was a Christian? People’s beliefs do change–which, BTW, is why Bricker’s argument is not a slam dunk even if Obama really did at one point say he believed marriage was between a man and a woman.
I at one point believe that, too.
Deep down, he’s a skeleton.
Because they don’t like him, just as I didn’t like either of the Bushes.
If your asked me, “What religion to you think Dick Cheney is, deep down?” I would respond, “A money lender”.
Because it gives them something to bitch about?
It’s embareassing for the Democrats that 55% of the Democrats polled do not know that Obama is supposed to be a Christian. I’m shocked, SHOCKED, that most Democrats are unfamiliar with Obama’s beliefs. :rolleyes:
I wonder which members of Obama’s staff and advisors did such a piss poor job of getting the word out?
They figured most folks have seen him take his morning stroll on the reflecting pool.
:rolleyes: