In many parts of America, couldn’t you easily get charged with sexual assault for drunkenly patting a waitress on her fanny?
Probably a misdemeanor version of it at worst. There are varying degrees of sexual assault, as I noted above, with different penalty levels.
I’d imagine the beating by a frenzied crowd is what put her in the hospital. <shudder> She must have taken a lot of punches and kicks from a crowd so big that it took 20 soldiers to break up.
The sexual assault may have injured her physically too. But, that’s more an emotional/mental injury that will take years to get over. She may never completely recover from the horror of what happened.
At least the injuries didn’t require emergency hospitalization in Egypt. She returned to her hotel, and flew back to the U.S. the next morning. She’ll get better care in a U.S. hospital. I hope she’s doing better and is getting the support she needs.
Oh for the love of god guys settle down. He said nothing disrespectful and even less “juvenile”. He had a question about what actually happened. Don’t confuse lack of knowledge for stupidity.
Yeah, maybe I’m tone deaf on this, but I don’t see what is causing the outrage.
I guess they think he(?) is asking for prurient reasons. Twickster’s note is one of the strangest I’ve seen here.
I thought the article was badly worded to. Sexual assault in the U.S. can be copping a feel or pinching a butt. Using that term for a rape trivializes the crime IMHO. If a woman is raped, then show some respect and say that in the headline. Don’t run away from the crime. Say she was raped and that’s it. They don’t need any lurid details.
Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you assholes jumping down a guys throat for asking a damn question. Sexual assault could cover anything from a boob grab to a gang rape, there is nothing wrong with asking for clarification.
Yes, but I suspect in this instance there was a lot more to it than a patted fanny. “Sexual assault” comes in several levels of severity. This was obviously towards the more extreme end of the spectrum.
In many jurisdictions, sexual assault is the legal term for rape. Illinois, for instance (as far as I can tell) does not use the term “rape” but rather calls the equivalent “criminal sexual assault” or “aggravated criminal sexual assault.”
And IMHO, not using the word “rape” doesn’t trivialize the crime. Many people can’t even agree on what the word “rape” means (is a weapon necessary? force? are threats sufficient? what if it’s anal and not vaginal? what if objects are used, not a penis?), so I don’t see a problem with a different word or phrase being used for the legal definition.
Ot it could be something much more, which would be denoted by using the word “brutal”.
You’re assuming she was raped and it’s not being reported. Why? If she was, no one would know and there’s no disrespect to anyone, but there is respect for the woman’s privacy. Saying she suffered a brutal and sustained sexual assault is enough information.
The fact that the description of the event described it as “brutal” and “sustained” is a pretty clear indication that the behavior probably just wasn’t a drunken pat on the fanny with a slurred “hey, baby, nice ass!” Even if it was “just” a “boob grab,” a “brutal” and “sustained” boob grab in the middle of a crowd of people who are also beating you is going to be pretty goddamn traumatic, so I think the disingenuous questions about the actual events do contain an amount of either prurient interest, or an attempt to say that if she wasn’t actually penetrated, then it wasn’t rape and therefore wasn’t that bad.
And I think you are making a pretty big leap based on what has been posted.
Hell, I don’t know if he(again, ?) even read the article, which is the only thing that uses “brutal” and “sustained”, the thread gives you the gist of the events, but without those words.
Anyway, maybe I’m wrong, but it seems some are quick to come to a judgment and I just don’t see what it is based on.
And that’s enough. This kind of language belongs in the Pit, and the discussion of devilsknew’s posts is over. It should be continued in the Pit or not at all.
Look, I’m just suffering from a case of “raising more questions than answers-itis”. I truly apologize if I have come off wrong.
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This news is utterly horrifying to me. The terror she must have experienced, wondering if the mob was just going to tear her apart…
Question…with the general media tendency not to report the names of sexual assault/rape victims, why was her name given? Sorry if this is really obvious, but it just made me wonder.
CBS News (her employer) was the first to report it. I assume she gave permission for them to disclose details as it happened in the course of her work duties.
This actually makes me feel somewhat sad. I don’t usually get emotional over what happens to people who I don’t know personally.
I admired Logan for her professionalism and determination. In her last interview with Charlie Rose, (after she was arrested) she was asked how she felt that she was forced to leave Egypt. She said she felt like a failure for not being careful enough. She felt that she let down the people of Egypt by not being able to cover the story.
I don’t know what else to say.
If getting groped were consistently classified as assault requiring hospitalization, the American medical system would be finished. It’s pretty clear that it was severe enough to cause additional injuries. I’m not sure people need to know if she was sodomized with a bottle or forced to fellate had a dozen men to have sympathy.
I don’t want to impinge on her honor… but I want the fuckers that did this to be recognized for exactly what they did. And I want every legal channel to be exhausted.