Since I don’t know (or care) who Debbie Schlussel is, I’m OK with dismissing this on the theory that whatever happens in the world, there’s someone out there who will be an asshole about it while getting all the facts wrong. At least it’s not as disgusting as the fact that Mubarak’s people tried to use xenophobia and anti-Semitism to get people to attack journalists and protestors to help them black out the protests.
Schussel is probably the worst of the “I hate Muslims” crowd to get a fairly wide distribution (possible exception for Jack Chick and similar preacher-types). She at least has a reason for it - I think her husband was one of the Marines who died in Lebanon.
And … on the other side … Nir Rosen implied that it was her just desserts for being a “major war monger.”
She’s already released from the hospital and home with her family.
Whatever the assault was, it could have been a lot worse if she had been taken somewhere. It’s a good thing the women and the soldiers stepped in to stop the attack. The description of that crowd sounds pretty terrifying for anyone.
Jesus, next thing you know, somebody’s going to come out blaming it on her getting pregnant by a married man while in Baghdad. :rolleyes:
Rosen didn’t exactly imply that she deserved it, but he said some offensive things. He at least did apologize and resign and said he had “brought shame on myself and my family,” which shows some level of consciene.
As far as I know Schussel (whose comments were far more offensive than Rosen’s) has apologized for nothing, and someone should point out to her that it was Muslims who rescued Logan from the assault.
What?
Are we still operating with the assumption that rape is the worst possible thing that can happen to a woman? A 20-30 minute beating of any sort isn’t somehow horrific enough?
Rape is horrible. So is being beaten by a mob for 20-30 minutes. Which is worse? Seems to me both could leave lasting mental trauma.
Anyhow - I wish her a speedy recovery.
It was someone close to Logan (maybe Logan herself) who used those words, so you’ll have to take it up with them.
What makes Schlussel’s gloating puzzling as well as contemptible is that left-wing feminist women were getting all up in Islamic sexism’s face long before the rest of the world was all that interested in the Middle East. Left wing women have never been cheerleaders for Islam that I know of.
[tangent]I was doing some research in a case where a little girl was murdered back in the 1920s for a graduate paper. She was missing for some weeks and when her body was found an article in the paper described evidence that she had been bludgeoned by a brick found nearby but that the decomposition was so severe that it could not be determined if she had been assaulted. I suspected that “assaulted” in this case was a code word for rape and, as it turns out, this was the case.[/tangent]
I certainly don’t need to know the sordid detail but it’s plain that a lot of people don’t really know what sexual assault means. It’s important for news reports to be clear and concise. I know, I picked up the use of the words “brutal” and “sustained” and came to my own conclusion but it’s not a given that everyone will.
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No one made that assumption. The WSJ guy was clearing up what happened in addition to the 20 minute assault. Not whether there was only an assault or a rape.
If she were merely groped, I strongly believe she would not have even mentioned it to CBS or anyone else, or that it would have been the first time that that had happened to her or close female colleagues. The story would be that she had been beaten, and nothing else.
This cnn reporter describes problems she’s had in Egypt.
I recall Anderson Cooper mentioning women in his crew had clothing ripped & torn by the crowds when he was attacked a week ago.
I worked with Ms. Logan several months ago but only face to face for a day and maybe a dozen or so emails before that.
Her producer though, who was also there during the attack, and I got to know each other very well and consider him a friend. We is a good guy and we’re still in touch.
I’m appalled this happened but am glad that no one was killed and that everyone is back on friendly soil. But that’s about the ONLY good thing I can come up with. It’s shocking and a shame.
Does this have anything to do with the way Egyptians view foreign women who are in their country ostensibly either unmarried or without a proper male escort? I only ask because I know two women who traveled to Egypt in recent years and neither one of them was pleased with the way they were treated by many Egyptians. One was single and the other was married but she spent several weeks there before her husband joined her.
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PS: Yes, I am fully aware that two individuals does not make for a good sample size and I also realize that this kind of thing can happen anywhere, even in the United States.
I agree, I was trying to picture exactly what happened, how it could happen, etc. It is true that victims of rape deserve privacy, but this crime was committed in the most public of places, so lots of people know what actually happened.
I disagree that groping and beating and rape are equally bad. There’s a whole different level to rape and I’d like to know if a bunch of men would do such a thing in Egypt in the wide open air with everyone looking on.
Please don’t take this as an ad hominem attack, but are you male or female? I am female, and I can tell you that I would much rather be beaten to within an inch of my life than be raped. Maybe this is hard for men to understand, but picture this: as a man, wouldn’t you rather be brutally beaten and groped than raped? Imagine the difference between how you would feel in each situation.
Broomstick is a woman.
Most offensive being he didn’t realize she’d been sexually assaulted even though his tweet linked to an article that clearly stated it and even though his “funny it didn’t happen to Anderson Cooper” comment only makes sense in that context. (I hate “how stupid exactly do you think I am” unpologies.)
Anyone see his apology on and toAnderson Cooper?