A GP Poly Rant

I’m depressed.

Lately it seems like there are a plethora of apparent idiots opposed to everything I stand for, and that they’re out to dominate the environments I occupy.

I cannot find work. Experienced office worker with secretarial skills second to few, abilities in market research and grantsmanship, in one of the few areas in the country that’s still fairly sound economically, and still no job after ten months.

My “kids” are unavailable. The one who lives locally is working extended hours learning a new job he got promoted to (and the cat’s in the cradle…). His children, the ones I feel grandfatherly towards, are 700 miles away finishing the school year.

Over on the Pizza Parlor* I’m treated to a couple of people who make December look like a card-carrying Liberal who are convinced that all the P.C. liberal majority wants is to destroy every vestige of morality left in America – and never mind that any stand the handful of liberals over there take is based explicitly on the Bill of Rights and the judicial decisions based on it. And, of course, the idea that gay Catholics were refused communion in Australia is only right and proper, because they were “protesting against church teachings” by admitting that they were gay – and when I drew the distinction between gay conduct and orientation, I was told that the moderator in question fully understood my point but “didn’t agree with me.” Elsewhere over there, the Calvinist doctrine of election is being forcefed to people, with no argument against it acceptable. And the proper refutation to a reasonable interpretation of Scripture is “that’s liberalist garbage, and I don’t agree with it.” Oh, and the humanists are out to destroy the Christian faith.

Over here, I spend inordinate amounts of time in religious threads in Great Debates – and every time I open one, I find that the logical disproof of Christianity is based on the premise that a loving God damns everybody to Hell (but allows a few to be bought off because they’ve sucked up to his Son, Whom He graciously allowed to be tortured instead of them). I find that being Jewish is evil, or maybe it’s something one ought to aspire to, but with no sense of what Jews believe. I find a poster ready to convince anybody that there’s no god – although to make any headway towards this, he might learn to write clear English paragraphs first. And Libertarian, whom I’ve counted my brother on this board for over two years, is out to produce a logical proof of God’s existence that will make St. Anselm’s jaw drop – and, my friend, we’re under orders from our Lord, and that’s not what we were told to do.

I find that one must either worship or hate George W. Bush or William J. Clinton (your option is to attach verb to president according to your preference – but there’s no middle ground). I find that the United Way or the Boy Scouts must be evil – pick one, but once again one must not see good in the other. This is most clearly set forth in the letters columns of the local newspapers. And logical argument with a point takes second fiddle to innuendo, Pit flames, and nitpickery, here and IRL.

In short, I’m dismayed and disgusted by the behavior I see around me. I feel like I’m fighting a losing battle for no good purpose. I may be respected by some people around here – I almost posted this rant yesterday but had my spirits lifted by Guinastasia’s compliment over in the Pizza Parlor’s Kitchen – but it seems like what I’ve been trying to do is all vanity and a chasing after wind.

  • Note to moderators: I am aware of the policy against condemnations of other message boards, and this rant is in no way condemning the Pizza Parlor, where I do have an official capacity. Rather, it’s against the inaneness and contrariness of people, including some posters both here and there. No offense against that board as a board is intended.

Poly, I wish there was something I could do to help. If you want to e-mail me or something, please don’t hesitate to do so. You’ve got an ear/shoulder if you need it. And that includes just talking books or whatever to take your mind off things. I’m not one of your kids, but I AM a friend. :slight_smile:

And to a degree, I feel the same way about some of the discourse (left AND right). It’s as though a small percentage of idiots are so desperate for attention that the thoughtful posters are being drowned out. I think you summarized it nicely when you said (paraphrased) that there’s as feeling that one must be a Bush-worshipper or a Clinton-worshipper and the vast majority who are neither are being ignored.

The only thing I think of to say is “This too shall pass” and things will get better in time. I know it’s a horrible cliche, but it’s also true.

And like I said: if you want to talk, e-mail me!

Yer pal,
Fenris

Gee, Polycarp, that’s bad about the job. There is no job so depressing as looking for a job.

And I haven’t been back to the Pizza Parlor for some days. Maybe I will surf over and smack some heads.

The only thing I can do is pray for you. Which I do.

Regards,
Shodan

I fully understand your point, but I don’t agreWHAP OW! Sorry.

Actually, I do agree with you- middle ground seems such a hard thing to find these days, and it seems that every issue must be seen as a good-evil dichotomy; apparently, there is only so much “right” on any given issue, and to admit a point the other side has means that your own side is that much worse off.

I wish you the best of luck in your job search, and hope that this time of struggles passes as quickly as it can.

Poly,

Many moons ago I read your 2000th post thread (Poly Goes Back to the Basics…) and was very impressed. (I know where “Polycarp” and the quote “Little children, love one another” come from.)

In fact, I patterned my 1000th post thread (Following Polycarp, Spritle gets deep. (bring the Fritos) after it.

Your presence on this board is refreshing to me. While I don’t spend too much time in GD, I’ve read a lot of your work here in The Pit. I’ve come to know you as the level head of reason, and a great calming force in turbulent waters. More importantly, I have learned a great respect for your nature, your intelligence and your piety. I’m sure I’m not the only one.

Thank you.

Poly you and I don’t cross paths much (I stay as far, far away from the religious threads as I possibly can w/o changing time zones), but, FWIW (an electron or two), you display the heart and soul of what I’d always been taught Christianity to be. You gently remind others of your faith the lessons of tolerance, and also are speak with those who don’t share your faith in terms of respect.

this is much to be admired.

However, you owe it to yourself and your family to let yourself heal for as long as you need. Keeping your mental health must be a priority, and as Sandra Boynton so wisely said “Don’t let the turkeys get you down”.

Poly,

I feel for you. I wish more people could discuss religion, politics, or other divisive topics with a clear head and avoid insults. I always try to go into such discussions that way, but my sarcastic nature gets the best of me. :frowning:

Hang in there in your role as the “voice of moderate reason”.

And I really hope you find a good job soon.

Your friend

MARS

I think one of the important factors re: there being no seeming middle ground is that on a message board we talk about what we’re passionate about. And people at the extreme ends of a debate are passionate about it. Those of us who tend to mooch about in the middle lane often can’t get excited enough to debate. We should, because it menas that debates are misrepresentative of the general opinion but, well, peoples is lazy. I wish I had half the patience you do, and half your ability to reason and discuss in an enlightening and fair manner.

Best of luck in your job search, and I do hope things improve for you soon.

While I’m often something of a fan of understatment, one of this magnitude is just amazing.

For what it’s worth, in the time I’ve been lurking and posting on these boards, your posts have much to do with how I finally managed to dismantle my own persistent shoulder-chip about Christianity into simple dandruff and intermittent dander, and that in turn cleared one of my (many) stumbling blocks along my own religious path.

The nature of this world is such that noise will always be stronger than signal, especially in large-scale discussions of meaningful things. I don’t think the point is to try to silence the other-noise, but simply provide the best signal that our own fallible wills can muster–because they get noticed when it’s done close to right, and yours has been noticed.

I’d suggest taking as much of a sabbatical as you’d like, whether from boarding entirely, or simply from the weightier zones of it. Signal needs periodic rests to renew itself–it’s the noise that’s untiring, and which doesn’t know rest.

You do good work. Have a rest, and you’ll be ready to continue in no time. My e-mail is also always open.

Poly: I sympathize with you. I work two jobs and I recently learned the one I like (and which is high-paying for this area) may end in six weeks because of Indiana’s budget crisis. Might I suggest you look for something other than office work? Working as a flagman or a waiter will not only pay some bills, it will get you out of the house and help relieve your depression.

I agree with you about the extremists, but I think that’s the result of Sept. 11, the other troubles in the world and the chiliastic fervor that’s sweeping certain parts of Christendom. We live in interesting times as the Chinese would say, and it’s hard to avoid foaming-at-the-mouth assholes. Remember “This, too, will pass.”

If certain people at the Pizza Parlor and this board get you down, avoid them in so far as you can without shirking your duties at the Pizza Parlor. One of the Peyote Coyote’s credos has always been: there are only two things you can do with a jerk – kick his ass or ignore his existence. Since you are a nice guy, you will probably opt for the latter option. There is little sense in worrying about the opinions of the unworthy and the foolish.

If the book of Ecclesiastes is correct, all IS vanity. However, I recommend reading Roger Zelazny’s “A Rose for Ecclesiastes” where his hero came up with a good response to Solomon. It’s a helluva story even if you disagree with the answer.

I’ve had to fight depression all my life and I’ve found a cure that helps. Tell yourself you’re depressed because you’re jobless and tired, but tomorrow will be a different day. Fix one of your favorite meals. Smoke a joint and put on some good, relaxing music. I recommend Stevie Wonder or Pure Desmond with Paul Desmond on alto sax, Ed Bickert on guitar, Ron Carter on bass and Connie Kay on drums.

Good luck and remember: You’re not alone.

Just another person here, Polycarp, saying that there are many who have immense respect for your opinions, myself included. Also remember that for every extreme, one sided prolific poster out there there are 100 even keeled lurker/posters who don’t have such dualistic attitudes and aren’t as eloquent or confident as you. Those posters may spend more time reading than posting, but they count on people like you to stand for reason, temperance, and forthought. Keep fighting the good fight.

{{ Poly }}

It may not seem like it sometimes, but you do make a difference in people’s lives and opinions, you know.

With 22,234 members currently on the boards presently, and a constant influx of University atheists who converted because it was fashionable and oh-so-“enlightened”, no doubt you feel like Sisyphus at times.

But Polycarp, you are not Sisyphus.

Your work here does matter. Sprittle has learned from you. Drastic has learned from you. I have learned from you. Countless unnamed posters have also gained wisdom from your insight. You are an important and influential member here.

It may seem that people do not listen and that there is no middle ground in many debates, but Francesca is right about the middle ground just not posting. For, example December currently has a thread about Title IX in Great Debates. It has 49 posts (made by about 10 posters in all) and 521 views. I am willing to bet those 10 posters did not open the thread 52 times each. When something is posted on this board, it is not only read by the participants of the thread (who have a tendency to “choose sides”), but also by the moderate majority. They may not speak, but they listen. They listen and they learn.

If the stress is piling up, go read the Onion, do what I do and annoy posters with awful jokes, or just turn off the computer. Take a break if you need it, it sounds like your batteries are running low. Lord knows you deserve it.

But please come back.

Lord, Jesus, who is Christ, the son of God, have mercy upon thy servant, Poly. Amen.

Sweet and gentle friend, your spirit is only weary because you have fought so valiantly in the service of God’s Love. This wretched iniquity that is our home is bearable only because some few, such as yourself work in His fields.

Now, on to more pragmatic matters. You are a grantsman, go get thyself a grant! You see the forgotten, and you know the need, you speak eloquently, and your reputation is, I assume from the one you have here, extraordinary. Don’t forget the political arena. People get paid for writing poignant descriptions of the failures in our social services, you could serve a good cause, and get a salary for it. Find the poorly administered charities, and get yourself put in charge of making them better. Speak with power, for you do have it. The Lord won’t mind if you get paid for doing His work, as long as you work for your pay. (I am sure He will be getting a deal, by the way.) Be bold. Ask the atheists around here which Christian they think would be best put in charge of Christian social outreach programs. Ask the Druids, and Taoists, too.

We love you, Poly. I will pray for you, others will chant, and, no doubt not a few will rant and rave. But the teeming millions know a good deal when they hear one, and you, my friend are one of the best.

Tris

Why rant about GP? I mean, his branching threads proposals are unrealistic and often quite annoying, and he has that tendency to drunkpost, but he certainly is more intelligent and, well, human than, say, Wiglaf.

Poly, I’ve always admired the heck out of you: you are a shining example of how reason, patience, and striving to teach effect minds more effectivley than all the clever insults in the world. These is no quick and dirty fix for this sort of depression: all that really works is faith in the fact that this will pass. However, let me make one suggestion. Let others fight the good fight for a while. There are any number f people here who can respond to some of these idiots almost as effectively as you (after all, they have been reading your posts for years, and things have rubbed off.) Just let them. You are not the only one who can do what you do, and don’t fall into the trap of feeling that you are: it makes doing what you do an obligation, not a gift to others, and that saps the joy from you and, ironically, will inevitable make you less effective in the long run.

If some of the Parlorites have as much umbrage against you as I’ve witnessed and you’ve felt, then take comfort in knowing that they think even less of me, jayjay, DrLao and a few other SDMB cross-overs.

You once said to jayjay over there:

Perhaps you can use these words, too.

You make a difference Poly; hang in there.

[ul]I agree![/ul]

I know it’s cliche, I know there are people who hate it, but…

{{{{{{Polycarp}}}}}}

You’re a voice of reason, my friend (and that latter noun is heartfelt). There’s an old saying “The only thing you get in the middle of the road is run over.” And it’s truer than anyone can possibly imagine.

I had a feeling you were getting a bit frustrated “over there”, and I sympathize. Though it pains me to do so, I suggest that you take a short break, from the Parlor, from the SDMB, from the Internet in general, and concentrate on what you need to get done in meatspace (as an online friend calls it). A sabbatical can clear your head, recharge your batteries, and renew your sense of purpose. Though I think I speak for a great majority of both the Dopers and the Parlorites when I say we’ll miss you while you’re rejuvenating, if you go that route.

I have to agree with Drastic, too. That “I may be respected by some people…” line is a neutron star of understatements. There’s so much unintentional irony packed into that phrase that it should have it’s own gravitational field. You are, quite probably, the single most respected Doper, period (outside of Unca Cecil). The “They Can Do No Wrong” Club has a very small membership, and you’re in it as far as we’re concerned.

Do what you must. Do what you need. And may your God bless you, Poly. If anyone deserves it…

jayjay