His4ever, you might want to quickly and empirically indicate to those of us who don’t, by now, just skip entirely past your posts specifically which of his beliefs you agree with. Beyond that I’m not even going to comment; I’ve come to expect pretty much the same standard response from you, though it’d be nice to know you don’t just have an “iampunha script” for whenever I post.
No way would I support that man!:eek:
I don’t know 100% where Matthew Shepard is so I can’t say I agree. Even if it were true, it’s very hateful and poor taste to post it on his site.
I’m don’t know every belief he has ( nor could I memorize them if I read them cos my memory’s shot). I do agree with him that homosexuality is wrong. As I’ve already said, I don’t agree with how he represents that. I need to go to his site again and see if I find anything else I agree with.
Well, that’s a very vague thing. The difference between you thinking it’s wrong and the way Phelps feels about it is MILES apart.
(Although some here may disagree, Phelps is way out there.)
I seriously believe he just uses homosexuality as a common scapegoat. If it wasn’t that, he’d find something else.
In defense of His4ever, the only hate that’s been spewed has been toward her, and not by her.
My question to His4ever and to anyone that actually agrees that homosexuality is amoral, what is your justification for that?
The best I’ve heard thus far are some specious quotes from the new testament, and a few more specific ones from the Old Testament, but in the Old Testament, Leviticus specifically, where the quotes are the most clear, it also lays out the kosher laws, and do you people keep kosher in the same time as condemning homosexuality? Do you eat bacon? it says in Leviticus that you shouldn’t eat pork. So do you pick and choose what to follow?
And if you believe in the bible, do you not take into account the time in which it was written? When the old testament was written it was HIGHLY important for the jews to breed as they were living in the desert having come from Egypt not too long before and having to deal with being outnumbered by gentiles. Therefore I can see how homosexuality would be undesirable, as breeding would be a very important task.
A lot of the stuff in the old testament has been disregarded even by pious christians, what’s the reason that this one is not?
Jesus had some interesting stuff to say about Witnessing (Matthew 6:5) and about judging people. How come these are never remembered when someone like Fred Phelps makes his rounds.
Erek
Oh man, we’ve been through it before with her, over and over and over and over-can’t we just let it go now? I do NOT want to go through that again!
Suffice to say, His4ever, I would just avoid saying you agree with Phelps on anything, even if you do, because he’s not the kind of person ANYONE wants to admit agreeing with. Because he’s such a loon.
Also, btw, if I were super rich, I’d take him on. He uses lawsuits. I’d buy the best lawyers money could buy in the world and call his bluff. Heh.
Don’t worry, I have no intention on getting involved in another X debate.:eek: I was just answering a question. I agree that there’s definitely something wrong with this Phelps guy. I wish he’d answer my e mails but I’m sure he won’t.
His4Ever, please, don’t wish for that. I have no first-hand experience with Mr. Phelps, for much the same reason that I have no first-hand experience with dipping my hands into a vat of battery acid. I cannot think of any reason to do anything so painful, foolish, and self-destructive. Not to mention, direct exposure to Mr. Phelps could elevate even my blood pressure to dangerous levels.
You’ve been the victim of cruelty and had the good sense and the good grace to escape it. Mr. Phelps advocates cruelty of the worst kind, and does so in the Name of God. I am no fan of ostracizing or shunning people, having suffered far too much of that myself, but in his case, I might recommend it, if only so that you don’t get hurt. Because you use the same Biblical language as he does to justify your belief that homosexuality is sinful, you already tend to get tarred with the same brush. In my book, Mr. Phelps is evil. Please, for the sake of your own soul, avoid him.
CJ
One of his grandsons does the website. Avoid them, they’re DANGEROUS.
Question: If someone trained a parrot to constantly curse, and that parrot was around you when coming up with new and creative obscene permutations, would you take offence?
Or, can you be insulted when there is no intelligence behind the insult?
Perhaps I’m being cocky, but is Phelps’ brand of beliefs really so contagious that we must avoid it, because it is DANGEROUS?
No, not his beliefs!
:rolleyes:
HIM. He’s a lunatic, as shown here.
What I mean is, don’t try to contact him, or tell him off or whatever, unless you want to be subjected to repeated harassment-faxes, e-mails, etc.
The best way to fight this being and his bile is to simply drown it out with love, acceptance, tolerance, etc. Show him he isn’t doing what he wants to do and he’ll kill himself trying to one-up those who are doing God’s work. Trying to deal with a test tube of acid, unless you really know what you’re doing (and I can think of fewer than five people people on this entire board whom I’d trust to go toe-to-toe with Phelps and not end up decking the creature), is only going to give you burns.
I think Phelps is hilarious.
His search-and-destory style and maniac rhetoric is so exaggerated and extreme that it makes me wonder if he’s not really a closeted gay himself having a bit of fun in the classic manner of the “happening”…every one of his public appearances is such a shitstain on the fabric of America, it goes beyond protest and becomes pure performance art.
At the same time, I realize that he’s a savage inhuman cocksucker with dead space between his ears and a long-memorized set of quotations and beliefs in place of where his heart should be.
I think it’s fine to have a negative opinion of homosexuality, but Phelps is beyond homophobia…he’s Anti-Gay taken to a such a level of fanaticism that it’s a wonder he hasn’t had a stroke or suffered a bout of cardiac arrest by this point, such is his hatred and bile for people.
A (very liberal) ex-girlfriend of mine said it best: “Gary Bauer isn’t funny anymore. I want to hear more Fred Phelps!”
** His4ever **, do you agree with the Taliban’s stance on homosexuality too? It’s the same as Phelps.
I got a reply to one of my e mails to Fred Phelps. Not sure what to make of it. I mean, I’m lousy at explaining guys so bear with me. The guy knows the scriptures and I can’t deny that but these people’s attitudes just seem so hateful. I don’t want to say they’re completely out of line in everything they say but the manner in which they go about it leaves much to be desired. This is my point of view anyway. Does that make any sense?
Here’s the response to my e mail.
Hey Vic -
As soon as adulterers and thieves start marching down Main street demanding special rights simply because of their perversion, then we will.
Our job is not to “win souls to Jesus” Our job is to preach the Word, be instant in season (when it’s popular) and out of season (when it is not popular. Our job is to cry aloud, spare not, lift our voice like a trumpet and show the people their transgression. Our job is to cause the people to know their sin. It is strictly God’s business as to who will or will not receive this message and have the grace to understand it.
You have an inability to understand that the hate that this site talks about is God’s hate. God’s hate is a perfect hate. God’s hate is not a base, unreasonable, out of control human hate.
If you think that Rankin has a much more balanced view then you are sadly mistaken. Rankin’s view is that God sent the people who are in hell, to hell because he loved them too much to not let them make the choice to go to hell. What??? If that’s all the power that God has, then there is no need to have a god at all.
You need to get WAY over yourself and stop exalting the creature over the Creator and questioning why God does what he does as if you have a better idea.
Thanks for writing. Be sure and check out www.godhatesamerica
Guinastasia, I skimmed through that article and I’d like to ask just one thing: if God hates the human race so much, then why bother to send Jesus to earth so He could go through what He did in purchasing redemption for any who will come to Him and accept it? That doesn’t really sound much like hate to me.
I do realize that there are different kinds of hate and God’s hate isn’t like what we would imagine hate to be, malicious and evil.
But I just can’t see Him hating everyone and then bothering to send Jesus to die for our sins. That wouldn’t make sense, if He hated us so much.
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I stated above in another post my position on X. Everyone knows what it is so I don’t want to get into it on that subject, okay?
Don’t worry, CJ I have no interest in any involvement with Mr. Phelps. I did get a reply to one of my e mails and have posted it here. I’ve been to his website and the one about godhatesamerica.com but haven’t had a chance to read to much of it. I know there’s something wrong there, that’s all I know. It’s like I can feel the hate coming off the page and glee that people are in hell. I agree that people are there but I’m certainly not going to rejoice in it as this man seems to do. God bless.
Incorrect, H4e. Fred Phelps is good at what Triskadecamus calls “Dueling Bibles”, wherein you pull various pieces of scripture out to defend your position du jour. What Fred is doing is finding passages that agree (at least seemingly so, to some) with his chosen position of hate. But if he knew the scriptures, he would not be preaching hate but love. That is, after all, what the Bible is about, no? God’s love? Or did I maybe read the abridged version?
Sadly, it does make sense, and it’s a disgusting viewpoint and inherently more perverted than anything Fred’s picketed against.
Anyway. On to the garbage that is now, or at least at one point did, infecting your email inbox. I don’t honestly know quite why I’m even dignifying it with a response other than the fact that this shit needs to be debunked thoroughly.
And you’ll note, unless you took bible references out, that Phelps does not list a single fucking bible passage to back up any of what he says.
Wrong. Your job, as someone who feels called to witness God’s love, or whatever, is to draw people toward God and Jesus and such.
Then he is sinning by not showing himself the hate he is exhibiting. Or is he not aware that hate is a sin? Maybe he adopted his own Ten Commandments (1. I am the Lord … er, God is the Lord MY GOD. BELIEVE AS I DO OR YOU’RE GOING TO HELL!).
And behold, Uriah knew his sin, and it came forth unto him a boy, and he did name the boy Fred…
I’m sorry, was that out loud?
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God doesn’t hate. IIRC God is capable of hate inasmuch as it is not possible (again, IIRC) to say God is incapable of something. However, God’s about as fond of hate as He is fond of sin.
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Freddie seems to be almost orgasmic talking about God’s hate here … he seems to actively enjoy talking about how pure and wonderful God’s hate is. Replace hate with love in that and you have something that starts to approach valid Christian Doctrine.
Stop questioning what God does? WHAT? Aren’t we supposed to talk to God about what the heck he’s doing in our lives (assuming for the moment that I’m Christian. I’m an agnostic theist, but evidently I’ll never not be a christian … sigh). It seems like Fred found a message that was convenient to him and stopped thinking thereafter.
H4e, please trust me when I tell you that the further you are from Fred Phelps, aside from knowing of him and his “ministry”, the better off you will be.
And “I don’t want to say they’re completely out of line in everything they say…” is still one of the most repugnant things, in context, I have seen in a long time. You are aware that you are agreeing with someone who pickets the funerals of gay people and celebrates where he believes they have gone, yes? And you are aware that hate is not a virtue?
How much more clear can I be? This is not the sort of person you want on your side about much of anything. And if I weren’t so damn tired and worried about things unrelated to this, I’d probably be writing in much stronger language that I might later regret.