Oh, come on, now, iam, now this is totally off base. Look, agree with His4 or disagree, love her or hate her, flame her or put the fires out, but don’t lump her or her ideology together with Fred Phelps, especially when she’s gone out of her way to repudiate him.
His4 happening to agree with 0.1% of the theory (not practice) behind this whackjob’s message is not nearly as disgusting as said whackjob picketing funerals of people who die of AIDS, and I’d say that His4 has done a pretty good job of saying that she finds that repugnant. I will say that I disagree with pretty much everything else that His4 has posted … pretty strongly, in fact, but you’re out of line for saying what you said.
Presumably, Phelps would agree that the sky is blue. If I also think that the sky is blue, that doesn’t make me a bigot. Although it wouldn’t be prudent to go around expressing my blue-skyism as “something about which I agree with Phelps”. My internal monologue is telling me this has been a pointless paragraph, so I’ll go on to the real reason for my posting in this thread, which is…
We recently had a thread about whether the idea of rape being used as punishment was too offensive to even be contemplated. I’m anti-torture, pro-human-rights, anti-rape, and all that. And I think that revenge is a poor and corrupt motive for anything, and it only begets more strife.
However, I can’t bring myself to say that I’d be unhappy to live in a world where Fred Phelps gets ass-raped over and over until he makes a signed, videotaped testament to his profound and undying love of cock. Something like
Hmm, yeah, she really has gone out of her way to repudiate him, and her beliefs don’t mesh at all with his. Thanks so much for pointing that out to me.
Given the factual errors you made in this post of yours, do you want to stand by that statement or reconsider it?
You are aware that you are agreeing with someone who pickets the funerals of gay people and celebrates where he believes they have gone, yes? And you are aware that hate is not a virtue?
Please don’t lump me in with people who picket gay funerals. I find that a bizarre practice and would never participate in such a thing.
Here’s what I’m talking about. You claim that you no longer wish to talk about your position on “X”. However, Phelps is famous for his position on homosexuality.
So when you come into this thread and discuss Phelps’ positions and say that you agree with him on certain things, it looks much like your talking about “X” again. Basically, you saw a thread about a “religious” person and his views on homosexuality and decided to get involved in the thread, all the while claiming that you don’t want to discuss “X”.
And guess what. People are slamming you for it again.
Frankly, I’m seeing a moth/flame diad here.
And yes, when Fred Phelps dies, the total number of people roasting in hell will go up by 1.
I don’t want to say they’re completely out of line in everything they saybut the manner in which they go about it leaves much to be desired. (bolding mine)
You know, iam, it’s one thing to see just what you want to see, but when you quote people out of context like this, it’s not a huge stretch to say that you’re being dishonest.
Well, considering that you’re the one in error, no.
also from His4 in this thread:
I agree that there’s definitely something wrong with this Phelps guy.
I don’t know 100% where Matthew Shepard is so I can’t say I agree. Even if it were true, it’s very hateful and poor taste to post it on his site.
FTR, I’m atheist and proud of it, and I don’t agree with anything that His4 has posted on this board, but you don’t help anyone by misrepresenting someone’s views on this board (or anywhere else, for that matter.)
She’s already said that she doesn’t like Phelps, for Chrissake. Telling her she’s worse than this nutjob either demonizes her unjustly or makes Phred out to be somewhat less of a monster than he really is. Once again, you’re not helping.
Come on, folks… this looks like we’re demanding that any discussion of the asshole Phelps incorporate an explicit Oath of Despisal against every aspect of his very existence. He’s so obviously a freak that requiring abjurations is kinda pointless.
H4E has stated she agrees that homosexuality is sinful and the Scriptures are literally true, but disagrees with picketing gay people’s families or preaching a God based on Hate. She just is not ready yet to take the step to flat out condemnation and counter-despisal. It’s NOT an easy process to come around; it’s not like Cecil Adams will appear to her in a blinding vision and show her the Way. Some more information and dialogue and one day she may come around to explicitly calling him a hatemonger who stains the name of Christianity.
And H4E, I hope God grants you the light to see that. Your being unimpressed by parts of Phelps’ response to your e-mail is a good sign. I hope you’ll come tosee that his hatemongering is so injurious and antithetical to the message of Salvation that even if his lips do cry out “Jesus is Lord, the Bible is his Word”, he should be rejected by Christians.
His4ever, I don’t believe God hates anyone. That’s not the point of the article (the title of the website is just for a parody of Fred’s).
No, it’s that this guy is a freaking loon, so PLEASE, for your own sake, do NOT attempt to contact him.
I no longer hate his family, even though they go along with it. The children have been raised with this madman, and from what I understand, they do show signs of cracking. His wife is a major victim.
When he dies, I predict the family will fall apart. It will be interesting to watch-well, it would be if it weren’t so sad.
Here is another interesting site about Phelps.
I don’t think he’s a closet case, either. He’s just using gays as a scapegoat-previously, it used to be his family. Think about what it was like to grow up under that monster.
BTW, if most of these articles are correct, the man is guilty of child abuse, fraud, tax evasion, assault and battery, threats, stalking, slander, libel, sexual harassment and thievery.
I’m not clear on this, H4E, but are these your words?
You ignored me earlier, so I’ll ask again - how can you, as a christian, agree with any stance that begins “God hates…”? Do I understand correctly that you’re saying God hates some sinners? If so, how can you determine which He hates, and which are redeemable?
What I find interesting is seeing how he wants his family all to be lawyers-so they can protect themselves.
I’d like to know if there are any other indepth articles on the web about his family. Because it’s scary. DAMN scary!
Nothing special to add here; I just wanted to take the opportunity, while it lasts, to quote a post by His4Ever, in a thread about Christianity and homosexuality, that I agree with 100%.
Thanks, dear. That is what I meant about witnessing for the Gospel here.
I am really trying to understand, because this goes against everything I understood about christianity - Poly, help me out.
You agree 100% with her post, and she states “…God’s hate…”
I don’t understand where the concept of Gods hate comes from. Please elaborate - it has always been my understanding that God does not hate - nothing we do is hateful in the eyes of God. We can sin, certainly, but we are not ‘hated’ for it. Is that not so?
God hates certain things – never people. Jesus makes quite clear the sort of self-serving and judgmental behavior that He hates. According to evangelical theologians, He also hates sin – but what we’ve witnessed of His behavior in the one arena where He was actively demonstrating how He would act if He was a human being (the indicative is intentional, and not ungrammatical, BTW), he is inclined to forgive and have compassion on sinners, not express His hatred of their sins. That, He leaves to those who claim to speak in His name! :rolleyes:
No, those are the words of the person who responded to my e mail.
As to God hating, To be honest , Psalm 5:5 does say “Thou hatest all workers of iniquity.” I don’t want to say the Bible doesn’t say something that it does. But I don’t see this as being the same kind of thing Phelps is espousing. There’s too many other scriptures that talk about his love.
I looked at one of the links about him, the letter from his son. I can’t believe that he said he’s not interested in leading people to Christ. If not, then he’s not doing what Jesus said to do and that’s to go and preach the gospel.
His4ever, they ARE NOT INTERESTED IN THE GOSPEL. Fred Phelps just likes to have an excuse to harass people. He wouldn’t want anyone outside the church to join. He thinks he and his family are the ONLY ONES going to Heaven.
You have to remember, hon, that he’s a very sick individual. And his family has grown up being controlled and manipulated by him. One of his sons today suffers Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, and has chronic knee troubles from years of beatings.
A family was horribly harassed after their son died of AIDS (yes, he was gay), and Phelps and co sent them hateful letters, fliers, threatened to picket the funeral, etc. He LIKES causing pain to others. He’s a sadist of the worst kind.
Do NOT recontact him, or anything. Stay away. If you want to really do something, anytime you hear of him speaking up in your community, try and support the causes he protests against.