A lot of drug users here...

The BBQ Pit
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Yeah, I’ll second that Story! (second story, ha!) I happen to enjoy a good fantasy game as much as anyone on this board, but I HATE those 42-6-36 chainmetal bra-wearing, phallic sword-wielding anime-looking amazon women they keep including in every single computer game. I suppose that’s the most beautiful, unique female form most of these pathetic guys will ever see or dream about.

Sad.

And, Guano, let’s get this straight - you pity anyone who does something which is not legal in the U.S. at this exact moment. Do I have that right?

Hell is Other People.

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You go, Tyler!

Guano, There’s nothing worse than someone who never used drugs trying to pass judgement on someone who has. You don’t like them? You don’t think they’re right? Fine. Don’t use them. But you don’t have a clue about what kind of person I am just because I like drugs. You like pornography, uh? Well, you must be a pathetic little furry handed geek who could never get a date in his life and has to go to Helga The Hooker four times a week to handle your fucked up hormones. Is that true of you? I’m just basing it on the common view that people who like smut are dirty little men with mental problems who would like nothing better than to wack off all day to dirty movies and frequent prostitutes. Same as you base your assumptions on the common view of drugs. Well, did I get it right about you? No? Then maybe you didn’t get it right about me, either.

If you have no experience in the matter, shut the fuck up.

“Dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope.”

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There are lots of good reasons why I occasionally smoke pot…

I just forgot what they were.

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Ah, the LOVE! I have done my share of drugs (and your share, and his share, and…) But I no longer choose to do them. I rarely even drink anymore. Why? Because, I found out it wasn’t worth it to me. Not in terms of money, time or the people it attracted into my life.

I’d much rather see marijuana legal than alcohol but that’s just because I know a lot of violent drunks and don’t know a single violent pot head. But this is just my experience, yours may, and probably does, differ.

The only time drug use saddens me is when it takes over someone’s life. But drugs are not the only thing that can take over your life: the pursuit of money, sex and adrenaline highs can be just as addictive. Anything that becomes such a sharp focus that you loose sight of all else is a problem.

Best!
Byz

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OOOOOHHHHH, Dirty Devil has either read or knows someone who has read Hi-Times !

Guano,
What I was trying to tell you is, you can’t tell adults how to live their lives. It doesn’t work. People will make thier own choices, and they will have to live with the results of those choices.

I’m not trying to be mean to you, but you have to understand that not everyone is going to live thier lives the way you think is right. It doesen’t work that way.

Ayesha - Lioness

There are two solutions to every problem : the wrong one, and mine
(Thomas A. Edison)

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So, didja get it Laddy? Didja? Didja huh? HUH?

Are you going to explain to me how you can be so deeply involved in something that demeans women so utterly and completely, turning them into bizarre, extreme sexual toys for the immature, sex-starved computer geek-hacker types?? Huh? WELL???

See, here’s the deal, kid. I like to smoke pot. It’s illegal if used the way I use it, but mostly…big whoop.

You like plastic-surgery-nighmare bimbo amazon cartoon women (a concept which I find almost as repugnant as I do the people who get off on them, but I digress). They disgust me, and YOU disgust me for liking them and keeping that industry alive, but you know what? Big whoop.

The world’s full of people doing things you might not like or respect. Get over it, kid.

StoryTyler
“Not everybody does it, but everybody should.”
I Spy Ty.

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If it’s about the legality of it all, I suppose Coldfire’s in the clear here … most of the rest of us are screwed, though.

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First: I’m not condemning anyone. I’m not angry at any of you users out there, I’m just disappointed.

Second: I hate all those stupid portrayals of Amazon women in Fantasy too. I don’t ‘game’ and I am more interested in the adventure. Even so those specifics don’t apply, I get your point, and fine. You don’t have to like it. Just as I don’t have to like som things. And guess what? THAT’S ALL I’M SAYING! I don’t like it. I’m sad that others that do like it have an attitude that, to me, seems like they’re promoting it, which I think is just (yes) morally wrong.

Third: I like pornography. Be sad about it. Say so. Start a thread on it. Make your points. We’ll go from there.

Fourth: I have made no moral judgements on the people, I am merely stating that it makes me sad to see it happen.

Fifth: My cousin died of a drug overdose. My brother was a semi-strong user of drugs for about seven or eight years before he kicked them. That’s the only real connection I have to drug use. I don’t see why I have to actually use them to make these statements. Can’t I just be disappointed in those that use them and don’t regret it?

Last: Yes. They’re illegal! Do not compare them with alcohol, which has been legal for centuries and is now impossible to make illegal now. Do not compare it to smoking ordinary nicotine, which, if it could be (and they’re trying) would also be illegal. And do not try to say that, just because you think it’s okay it should NOT be illegal, because that is irrelevant. It IS illegal. So I wish you wouldn’t do it.

I am not angry. I am not yelling (all capital letters are emphasis only). I am not even ranting. I am not making a judgement, because I still like reading what all you guys have to say on these boards, even though there are always going to be some members I’m not fond of. I am merely stating my opinion on the attitudes of some here towards drug use.

-PIGEONMAN-
Hero For A New Millennium!

The Legend Of PigeonMan - Back in the new year! Honest. I promise. No, really.

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Well, at my school quite a few students smoke pot. Many are my friends. One of my best friends was growing a small pot plant on her balcony. Do I hold it against them? No, because I know what kind of person they are. Most are responsible, and put school above their drugs (I say most, because there are a few who aren’t responsible, but that’s mostly because they’re just lazy). I don’t smoke because it is not for me (I never saw any reason for me to do it). I know that they could be smoking worse things, like crack, cocaine, or heroin. I’ve also never had any of my pot smoking friends pressure me into trying it. They offer, but I refuse, and they’re fine with that.

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I suppose nobody is REALLY surprised at seeing me post in this thread.

Wise-ass response:
“I live in Amsterdam. 'Nuff Said.”

Serious response:
Guanolad, I generally think you’re a very smart guy (for a Kiwi :wink: , HAH !). But you’re crossing a few barriers of logic here. First, there’s no such thing as an illegal drug when debating it over a worldwide message board. Marihuana is legal in The Netherlands. If I would promote it, would that be immoral too ? Or would it only be immoral when someone from the US (as an example of a country where pot is illegal) would promote soft drugs ?

Hard drugs are evil. I think most people will agree on that. I don’t know if things are the same the world over, but over here we define hard drugs as physically addictive, health destroying drugs. Cocaine, Heroine, Crack, you name them. But, in a way, nicotine too (although that is not illegal, naturally).
Those are illegal. But I would never consider it immoral if someone else would experiment with them (for the record, I never did - and believe me, most Dutch people never used hard drugs). It is THEIR choice. Now, if they would promote it to people who were not able to make a sound decision on the matter, THAT would be immoral. I’m talking about promoting it to children, mentally retarded people, etc. Otherwise, even if someone is promoting something illegal, it is still the responsibility of the “tempted” party to make a responsible choice.

Speeding is illegal. I LOVE speeding. If I tell you to try speeding because it gives you a rush, am I immoral in doing so ?

Of course, marihuana is considered a soft drug because, by definition, it is NOT physically addictive. Just like caffeine. By definition, alcohol is worse than marihuana because it IS addictive when used in large quantities.

Summarising, this is NOT the black and white subject you made it look like in the first post. And quite frankly, I’m rather disappointed that a smart guy like yourself couldn’t make that judgement call correctly. Of course I realise that your described personal experiences (your brother, your cousin) have influenced your view on this matter. But because one person goes overboard doen’t mean they all will. And if they do, it is STILL their own choice and responsibility. Being disappointed with them for that (especially when you don’t REALLY know them, like the people on this MB) seems a bit of a waste of brain waves for someone of your intellect.

Coldfire

“You know how complex women are”

  • Neil Peart, Rush (1993)
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The drug thing should have probably been a debate thread. I’ve done the pot thing years ago…definitely not my style…especially now…with random drug testing…I prefer to have a good job with good pay. Each person is entitled to his own choices…as long as those choices do not directly affect others. I have recently quit smoking…and smoking is a terrible habit that has definite health effects…but it was my choice to smoke…and I took the risks. And I am sure in years to come I will pay the consequences of my choices.
But for the adults that have kids and smoke pot or do the other drugs…as far as your kids go…it isn’t “do as I say and not as I do”. If you have no problem with your kids going out and taking a toke every now and then…and having a beer with it…no problem. But don’t think they don’t know what you are doing…they know. And they will follow example. So don’t be surprised when the kid gets caught…

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Why? What’s the point? Repeat after me: the law is an abstract system. Illegal does not equal immoral. Everything that Hitler did was legal and everything the Hungarian resistance did was illegal. Not trying to compare drug users to the Hungarian resistance, or the drug enforcement agencies to Hitler, but you get my point. The law has no bearing on morality.

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“I’m sad that others that do like it have an attitude that, to me, seems like they’re promoting it, which I think is just (yes) morally wrong.”

“Fourth: I have made no moral judgements on the people”

Something about those two statements doesn’t add up.

A moral judgement is still just that,even when the law agrees.
You can’t just make blanket judgements about all “drugs” and all “users” by using legality as a rationalization.
(not to mention the different reasons that people have for wanting to discuss drugs openly)

Take for instance the pornography that you “seem to be promoting”. It’s perfectly legal to hire a scared little girl (yes, I think most of them are little girls… at least mentally) to do something that she finds disgusting, but submits to anyway, because she doesn’t have another choice … or at least doesn’t realize that she has choices.
That’s legal … but is it moral?

Since when, were politicians accused of being particularly moral?
I’ll take conscience over law any day.

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The whole discussion is stupid IMHO and I don’t even know why I am weighing in on it.

Big deal if someone out there is “sickened” and “saddened” by something that other people are doing … y’know? Like, join the club! (And you are … ?) Get over it and MYOGDB.

If all these people manage to stay so intelligent and urbane while consuming something the Man says they shouldn’t, what does that tell you?

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This thread was kind of an experiment. I wanted to state my piece, and then see what others would say. I wasn’t expecting a chorus of agreement, though it’s noce to see a few posts that mostly agree with me, a bit.

But I view a lot of you as trying to defend what you do, or have done.

What sort of crap is this? Matt, you’re basically saying that you decide when the law applies to yourself. Well, no, I’m sorry, but that isn’t how it works. Law is law is law. I can’t suddenly decide that rape is now perfectly okay, so leave me alone, it’s my choice. You just cannot do that and expect to get away with it.

Coldfire, speeding is illegal, dangerous, and wrong. I will not do it, no matter how much you promote it towards me.

I’m not making blanket statements - for the last time, I’m just saying I don’t like it. Have I tried to stop you? No. Have I put the police onto you? No. Have I enforced my morals onto you? No. Am I trying to do any of those things? No.

As RTA so cleverly put it, “Big deal if someone out there is “sickened” and “saddened” by something that other people are doing … y’know? Like, join the club! Get over it.”

:slight_smile: That’s just it. It means nothing to others what I think, really. So why are you all getting so defensive?

Think about it.

-PIGEONMAN-
Hero For A New Millennium!

The Legend Of PigeonMan - Back in the new year! Honest. I promise. No, really.

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RTA-

If you were MYOGDB, you wouldn’t be reading about Gano’s business on this board. Cut the guy some slack.

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To compare marijuana to alcohol or tobacco is ludicrous and irresponsible. The fact is, marijauna has many benefits and medicinal uses. And all that with no real, long term side effects. Even the old myth that marijauna causes permanant brain damage has finally been debunked. I’m not going to post any links on it. If you really care research it and you’ll see. www.hightimes.com has a lot of information but some people won’t read it on there because of the perceived bias of the magazine.

  1. Marijauna does not cause the same health related problems tobacco does. So far, and yes the jury is still out and not much research has been done, however the results so far is that marijauna does not cause things like lung cancer etc.

  2. It is impossible to overdose on marijauna. But you can drink enough alcohol to kill you.

There has never ever been a case of someone showing up at a hospital od’ing on pot. of course our wonderful government may (some say they already are) start spraying fields with paraquat again. And that stuff is dangerous. answer? grow your own indoors! (and possibly go to prison, what a bass ackwards country we live in)

Hypocrites. All politicians are hypocrites. They admit to their own drug usage or “experimenting” and yet they have no problem at all with clogging our courts and penal system with people that did the same thing they themselves did. Why don’t they volunteer themselves to do a little hard time? All drugs should be made legal. No law has ever prevented drug use. So the perception that if there is a law people won’t do it is asinine. And to make someone a criminal for smoking pot, or for shooting heroin for that matter, is doing nothing more then creating an industry where people are the cargo.

The ever insensitive, politically incorrect PitBullDawg. Political correctness is a disease. Cure it with the truth.

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Who says that someone who uses recreational drugs has “no other way” to have a good time? Why pretend that someone should stick to ONE method of having fun? Ok, do you want to watch tv, see movies, play games, or visit with friends? Remember, this is a permanent choice… once made, it cannot be changed. This will be your Only Way to have a Good Time from now on!

Oral & anal sex are illegal in many parts of the country. Some drugs aren’t illegal in other countries… this isn’t some universal moral “right and wrong” issue, you know. Driving a car or walking down the street is dangerous. It is a personal choice if you want to face those things or not. If you don’t–great. Don’t. But if someone wants to do their thing, as long as they aren’t hurting anyone, what business is it of yours?

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Alright Guano, maybe this should simply be in MPSIMS. It is certaintly mundane and pointless. You are not condeming anyone, just expressing your own personal feelings of sadness for drug users in a touchy feely sort of way. WELL GET OUT OF THE FUCKING BBQ PIT! I do not go into the padulum of MPSIMS and I hate it when MPSIMS comes to me.

You know, doing what is right is easy. The problem is knowing what is right.

–Lyndon B. Johnson

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I have feelings of sadness for anyone who has never tried drugs.