You’re destroying everything decent in this world!
That’s OK. Lots of folks into the scene like to switch roles from time to time. 
It’s been said by other posters in the thread already, but I think it bears repeating: homosexuality is not a choice.
Well Dr Drake and his husband came to dinner at my house. Neither my non-married long term partner, my biological son from my first marriage, nor I seem to be damaged by it*. Really, I should be asking if my “deviant heterosexual lifestyle, living without wedlock, but with a child” bothers them and affects their marriage. Dr Drake? Are you guys ok?
I really don’t even understand why this whole “marriage equality” thing is a thing. It is an incredibly stupid smokescreen to avoid facing harsh realities and focusing on real issues that matter like the economy and foriegn policy. If you are an adult you should get to chose who to marry or not marry. The choice is between you and the other adult, and the deity of your choosing, if you want a deity. For the record I am Christian. A very liberal leftist Christian, but in general I would rather hang around atheists than fundamentalists.
America get over yourselves and just let people who love each other marry. Or let them chose to not marry. Whatever. Of course I am in Canada, we got over this (and a whole bunch of other stuff not relevant to this conversation) years ago.
*The salmon may have been bothered by the whole event, but he’s not talking.
On the other hand, we are making some remarkable progress in medicine. Maybe someday there will be a pill that will take your gay hardwire and straighten it out (so to speak). And I’m being perfectly serious. They are creating individualized genetic therapies to kill cancer cells and treat other conditions. Who would have thought 10 years ago that they could use stem cell transplants to cure some cancers, and so on.
If you condition your claim to civil rights on “I can’t help it. I’m wired this way” then some day when a straight pill comes out you will have to face the response “Well you can help it now. Just take this pill and stop being dirty and disgusting.”
While the “I’m wired this way” strategy brings short term results (often in the form of pity for your faulty wiring), I fear that it is not a good long-term strategy. It’s none of my business, but I think spreading the message that there is nothing wrong with being gay regardless of the reason is going to bring more lasting change.
And when they come up with a pill that cures bigotry…
Nah…
It took a while to recover. We began to have doubts about our lifestyle, especially after failing to be a threat to your family. Maybe we should just pack it in and marry women (though of course we’d have to divorce first. We’re no bigamists.) In fact, so far our efforts to convert heterosexuals by our mere presence are at exactly zero. Depressing, I tell you.
Bad Gay! I guess you’ll just have to suck it up and buy a toaster.
The OP for one. Oh wait, this time it’s his “friends” who are against homosexuals.
Didn’t the pounding on the “it’s not a choice” thing arise because of the legal precedent involving protected classes? If something isn’t a “changeable characteristic” then laws against it generally involve a stricter scrutiny than laws discriminating against a changeable characteristic (i.e. a choice).
I agree that gays should be able to date and marry whether it’s a choice or not, but I thought that, regardless of the fact that we’re pretty sure it isn’t a choice, that the fixation on it stemmed from the fact that due to court precedent it was much easier to get legal protection under the Equal Protection Clause if it wasn’t.
IANAL etc etc, that’s just how I understood the whole thing.
Pretty sure this is a joke (even if I’m not getting the punchline here); while Clothahump is a conservative, he’s certainly on the libertarian side and has little use for the social conservatives in the GOP.
However you did convert my (insert whatever societal degrading name used for a live in unmarried male partner of a straight woman you chose) into eating salmon. He never had before that. Do we get a toaster? Do you?
Joking aside, when I told my 9 year old I was having Dr Drake and his husband over for supper, he said “Men can marry men?”
I said “Yes, and ladies can marry ladies, in Canada and some countries. In other countries they don’t let that happen.”
His response? “Oh, men can marry men. Hmm. I didn’t know that. That’s good I guess. I’m going to go play Lego now.”
In debates, there is something called the “slippery slope” - basically a “trick” to throw the opponent off by going off on a tangent that takes everyone away from the subject at hand.
In this instance, you could switch this argument around:
It is really important that we legalize Gay marriage! If we don’t, that will make all marriages based upon the concept of marriage solely for the purpose of successful procreation. This would make it illegal for men and women to get married if they were unable or unwilling to have children. This would mean no woman could get married past the age of menopause and no man could get married if he were infertile - even if he lost his fertility in an accident or perhaps in a war injury. Do you really want to ban construction workers or military veterans from getting married?! Do you really want to make it illegal for your poor widowed mother to re-marry the nice pastor down the road?!?! Why do you hate hard working Americans, US military veterans and widows?!?!
These types of arguments are bogus, but the slippery slope trick is quite popular when trying to avoid the basics of the issue and throw the debate off on another topic altogether.
Progressive = unorthodox methods to achieving a common underlying goal.
Liberalism = cult with the aim to uproot traditionalism.
The former devolved into the latter.
Liberal minded people using a moral issue to mask a real issue, wow that’s a shocker.
It’s not conspiracy at all. It’s pretty much common knowledge and even homosexuals admit to it.
The sooner they ‘break’ conservative values, the sooner they can do as they please and not feel guilty about it.
Ultimately it comes down to either it being about money, or being about politics.
I’m sure glad we didn’t let love get in the way, that might have been messy.
And the right in this country just won’t be happy until every last homosexual feels guilty for being homosexual.
Thank you for clarifying your bigotry.
Normal is a setting on the washing machine.
It’s not a joke. At least I don’t think it is, I’m hearing it from too many varied people. If it is an April Fool’s joke of some sort, then my bad - I got snookered well and truly.
I posted it up because I really wanted to hear my fellow Dopers responses. I had a general idea what the trend would be, but I preferred to have the details, so to speak, rather than make blind assumptions about other people’s thoughts.
Seriously? You actually don’t understand one of the most straightforward posts on this board from probably our most straightforward poster?
He’s accusing YOU of having made the joke. His logic is a bit suspect, as you do not really lean libertarian, but he has a point. It seems really, really odd that someone who is on record as thinking homosexuality is deviant has never heard of the gay agenda and the most basic argument against homosexual marriage.
I guess it’s a testament to you that you don’t hang around with these people very often often. This has been the message about SSM from day one. We supposedly can’t allow SSM because it teaches our children that homosexuality is okay, and that teaching will somehow cause the downfall of society.
You just are apparently just now noticing it.
And what say YE, Clothahump? Does the fact that you’re hearing it from folks whom you do not consider to be wearers of tinfoil hats alter your initial impression of it sounding “kinda conspiracy theory, tinfoil hat brigade?”
What I say, personally, is that it sounds like the desperate straw-grasping of a group of people who know that their side has lost, and that it’s all over but the shouting.
Exactly what is the “homosexual lifestyle”? What the hell do two gay people do that two straight people can’t do?
I’ve asked this question about a million times, and have yet to get a reasonable answer.