A note on the (now closed) thread

[Quiddity_Glomfuster]

@Crotalus

I’ll take a stab at this one. When one posts a message on this board, and someone responds to it, that response is a form of attention. When one posts in such a way that, rather than add to or further the discussion under way, they tend to divert the discussion into another direction, particularly when they divert the discussion to themselves, that is called hijacking and is frowned upon. When one does this repeatedly and dramatically, they are sometimes called an attention whore. When one does it spectacularly, annoyingly, compulsively and for years without end, well, that’s our Liberal.

People posted a bunch of links to threads where Lib supposedly committed some of these sins but I didn’t see anything out of the ordinary. It appears to me that the ‘devil effect’ (opposite of the ‘halo effect’) is happening. It wouldn’t be odd or unusual; people work that way. So isn’t it possible that there are people who, because they don’t like him, will interpret everything he writes as bad even if it’s not? Or, for that matter, everything I write?

Your example of an innocent post of his is a good example of one of the things he does to bring about the flaming that he apparently craves. When one of SDMB’s better known Christians throws out something like “I don’t believe in the bible either”, it’s bound to get a reaction. He got exactly what he wanted. He exacerbated it by going into his cute little parsing of what believing in the bible means

But what was wrong with the parsing? It made sense to me, was a one-line answer to a question, and answered the OP’s question - and he (OP) thanked Lib for the answer. But a bunch of people editorialized - how come?

Stick around and watch. Liberal has earned lasting animosity from a lot of people here. Not from me. I may chime in if he comes out with a particularly egregious piece of bullshit, but mostly I just watch the fun. I think he’s an asshole, but I generally don’t hold that against him.

Thanks for the explanation. And the laugh.

[Quiddity_Glomfuster]

@Jodi

Bullshit. If there was anything else you’d rather be doing right now, you’d be doing it. Unless there’s someone there with you at the computer with a gun to your head? You would actually make me less impatient if these whiny protestations contained even an iota of believability.

I rather suspect nothing I say will ever impress you. My point was that if I were an ‘attention whore’, I’d be enjoying this.

Two posters directed questions at you that you did not come back to answer before the thread was closed. Two other posters wondered where you went. All four of those posters have e-mail. There was no reason for you to open a separate thread “offering” to answer their questions.

I considered that but thought perhaps a PM appearing out of the blue might not be wanted.

A meeting? About YOU? Listen, trust me on this: The only person on this whole board who cares that much about you is you.

That was a joke. You know, funny thing? Laughable because of its being ridiculous? Like that.

[Q.E.D]

I propose that henceforth we call a particularly absurd trainwreck of a thread such as this a “Glomfuster Cluck.”

[Quiddity_Glomfuster]

@What Exit?

What person or what answer?

Why is it ok to go for the jugular, particularly when somebody posts something that doesn’t warrant it. People are answering now, but I’m already an ‘attention whore’ for having a thread so whatever.

[Quiddity_Glomfuster]

@Sarahfeena

What in heck does it have to do with the hypothetical cooking thread? In this example, the cooking thread would have nothing to do with the Pit thread. In the real-life case that we are discussing, the 2nd Pit thread (the “Liberal, I’m not Pitting You, but…”) thread DIRECTLY REFERENCES BACK to a very recent thread that was an actual pitting of Liberal. If you think that your cooking example is analagous to that, then I don’t really know how else to explain that it’s not.

I know what you’re saying. I don’t agree it’s valid. OP asked about the Bible, Lib answered, Lib got smucked into the dust for that answer, which was, to me, a perfectly fine and sensible answer and then people after the smucking piled on, apparently just for the hell of it. I thought ‘WTF?’ and asked why this was going on.

[Rubystreak]

@Quiddity Glomfuster

Why is it ok to go for the jugular, particularly when somebody posts something that doesn’t warrant it.

I thought PRR’s OP didn’t warrant it. You did, so it was OK that he got clusterfucked by your buddy Liberal and others. See how that works? Your criteria for an unjustified attack isn’t universal. Go figure. There’s a lesson in there for you if you want to learn one and not just teach them.

[Caridwen]

@Jodi

You’re an attention whore for starting this thread in the first place AND you attempted to evade public scrutiny by offering to PM people instead of answering the questions in this very thread, that you yourself started. So no, you’re not “either;” you’re actually both.

Quiddity, you have to admit Jodi’s right about that.

[Oakminster]

@Q.E.D.

I propose that henceforth we call a particularly absurd trainwreck of a thread such as this a “Glomfuster Cluck.”

Seconded.

[Jodi]

@Quiddity Glomfuster

I rather suspect nothing I say will ever impress you.

Oh, I don’t know. You could try not (a) talking about yourself or (b) sitting in judgment of others. For all I know, you’re the leading worldwide expert on underwater basket weaving. All I know at this point is you are remarkably dense as to matters of tone, you refuse to entertain the possibility you may be wrong, and you like the sound of your own voice.

My point was that if I were an ‘attention whore’, I’d be enjoying this.

Not necessarily. An attention whore may no enjoy the attention they receive, but they find any attention better than none. That appears to be a very accurate description of your behavior both in this thread and in the other one.

I considered that but thought perhaps a PM appearing out of the blue might not be wanted.

So rather than take that enormous chance, you opened another thread all about you, complete with OP that said nothing of substance so that the entire thread screams “LOOK AT ME!”

That was a joke. You know, funny thing? Laughable because of its being ridiculous? Like that.

Well, see, most jokes are funny so the lack of humorousness was probably the source of my confusion.

[Jodi]

@Quiddity Glomfuster

Why is it ok to go for the jugular, particularly when somebody posts something that doesn’t warrant it.

If you’re confused as to Board rules, why don’t you e-mail a Mod and ask?

[What_Exit]

@Quiddity Glomfuster

Why is it ok to go for the jugular, particularly when somebody posts something that doesn’t warrant it. People are answering now, but I’m already an ‘attention whore’ for having a thread so whatever.

Interesting.

Very early in that thread I explained why Liberal has his rep. Colibri also tried to explain it, even earlier.

I guess neither was good enough but the attempts were made.

Jim

[joyfool]

@Quiddity Glomfuster

Why is it ok to go for the jugular, particularly when somebody posts something that doesn’t warrant it. People are answering now, but I’m already an ‘attention whore’ for having a thread so whatever.

I know you’re not talking to me, and I wasn’t in the other thread, but I’ll take a crack at this.

It’s NOT okay to go for the jugular. Unfortunately, some people do anyway. In anything but the pit, it’s not allowed and will be dealt with accordingly. If it IS in the pit it sometimes opens up an opportunity for someone who is disliked to present something that others feel compelled to comment on. Now maybe it’s repetitive behavior. Maybe it’s being disingenuous, I have no idea. But I’m pretty sure that it is NOT a Bat Signal sent out to institute a pile-on. I’m not saying that no one ever does that (or doesn’t wait in the wings for those sorts of chances to pounce), but for the most part I think it’s just the nature of humanity, this particular fora and us beasties in general. Despite how huge a trainwreck may appear, it’s really tiny. We have lots of members and even the ones that participate in those sorts of threads, may not be synonymous with those who “personally attack.”

And for the record, I haven’t called you an attention-whore. I’ve helped to explain and define it for you, but I’ve leveled no such accusation. Personally, I simply think you’re massively getting off on the wrong foot here and instead of thoughtful retreat, you’re offering us head-butting forward campaigns. Just MHO.

[Sarahfeena]

@Rubystreak

I’m saying that? No, I’m not. YOU are saying that. I (and we) are saying, it’s OK to do it in the Pit. I don’t think anyone is saying it’s OK to do anywhere else. Board rules back this up. Please indicate where someone is saying that slagging off on people you hate everywhere on the board is condoned or allowed.

“If that’s how you guys play.” As if you don’t have 1000+ posts, many of them in the Pit. As if your straw man about how we “play” that way all over the SDMB is remotely valid. As if this statement isn’t saturated in schoolmarm condescension. And as if you’re oblivious to how idiotic you sound.

Oh, quit fucking preaching. This is the Pit. It’s like a boxing ring. Punches can and should be thrown here so they are not thrown elsewhere. Ill will is going to be engendered on a board like this, and it’s only natural and normal for people to want to express it, openly and in depth. Giving people shit about it as you are is prudishly absurd, in denial of human nature. As you say, it’s just words on the screen, so how much can it REALLY hurt someone if they have a sense of proportion? Don’t read it if it really hurts you. Reading the Pit, indeed, reading the entire, mean, nasty, hurtful, awful SDMB is not necessary. Lay on the couch and watch TV, save your strength, will you?

Ruby, this is why conversations with Quiddity go around in circles. You have stated these points very well, and Quiddity should be able to grasp them. But I suspect she will either not grasp them or pretend not to. How do I know this? Because they have all been made to her already, both in the previous locked thread and this one.

She has been told that flaming is not allowed outside the pit, and yet she keeps going back to saying, “so, you can just yell at someone in a thread about cooking?” To use her charming way of expression, UM…no…you can only flame in Pit threads. And it has been pointed out to her that, despite the fact that she doesn’t like it, the Pit was set up to give people an outlet for anger, and therefore serves a useful purpose. If she doesn’t like to look at it, it’s really, really easy to avoid…just stay out of this one forum. But this isn’t good enough for her…she wants to change us all into nicer people.

She keeps these threads going by making the same points and asking the same questions, and ignoring the answers people give her. Since she is so interested in motivation, maybe she can tell us what motivates her to do this.

[Rubystreak]

This is a sticky at the top of the forum explaining the purpose of the BBQ Pit. Read the fucking thing already. It’s very clear. You might not like that such a thing exists, or needs to, but it does, so get over it and stop trying to guilt-trip people who use it for its intended purposes.

[Colibri]

@Quiddity Glomfuster

People posted a bunch of links to threads where Lib supposedly committed some of these sins but I didn’t see anything out of the ordinary.

Being a sanctimonious, judgmental, hypocritical attention-whore, I am not in the least surprised you did not.

@Q.E.D.

I propose that henceforth we call a particularly absurd trainwreck of a thread such as this a “Glomfuster Cluck.”

Thirded.

[Quiddity_Glomfuster]

@faithfool

Now I’m sure the best possible zen like thing to would be to say “Well, since I am not the dark curly haired moron…” and then disengage. But in my humble experience of almost 40, folks don’t behave that way.

Thanks very much for this. This is the bit I don’t get. And I don’t get it because it’s not the way I work and I figured I’m more or less a regular person and so that others would work the same way I do, which is if you hear a group being remarked-upon and you don’t belong to the group, you ignore the remarks. But you’re saying that most people don’t.

I guess I’m not often in situations (can’t think of any, really) where that would happen so that I could observe peoples’ reactions or discuss them with them to know that they took offense in these situations even if they aren’t involved. You’ve given me food for thought; thanks much.

As to your last question? I’m sorry, but I’m not even sure what you’re talking about there.

Just trying to say that I kind of thought ‘Isn’t it kind of mean to attack people personally’ would be answered by a group ‘yes’ the way it would be if I asked ‘isn’t it kind of mean to kick puppies?’.

Maybe those’ll help. If not, mea culpa for wasting your time.

That was great. You explained very well. Again, thanks very much. I see what it was that I wasn’t seeing about my remarks. Still have to work on that other thing.

[Quiddity_Glomfuster]

@Jodi

You’re an attention whore for starting this thread in the first place AND you attempted to evade public scrutiny by offering to PM people instead of answering the questions in this very thread, that you yourself started. So no, you’re not “either;” you’re actually both.

You’re funny. That was funny. You can’t figure out enough ways to nail me

[wonky]

@Colibri

Being a sanctimonious, judgmental, hypocritical attention-whore, I am not in the least surprised you did not

I love dangling participles and the things they make people say.

[Oakminster]

@Quiddity Glomfuster

I rather suspect nothing I say will ever impress you. My point was that if I were an ‘attention whore’, I’d be enjoying this.

If ya want it to stop, all ya got to do is walk away. Just quit replying to this thread. Odds are good it will fall off the first page of the forum and be forgotten within 48 hours.

[Jodi]

So Sarahfeena, are you saying that you can just yell at someone in some random thread? That’s really mean. What would motivate someone to do so? For that matter, what motivated you to post your last post? I will be better able to rate the validity of your point if you can explain your motivations to me. Assuming I find them acceptable, of course.

Colibri, you are being a naughty meanie mouth. Please list your motivations so that I may evaluate the legitimacy of your positon also. Personally, I suspect you’re just not functioning that well.