I don’t think it’s a hijack, because this argument–oligarchs vs. MAGA–is highly relevant to the topic of ‘people losing by their association with Trump’ and thus our schadenfreude over their plight.
The oligarchs favor immigrant labor (via H1-B visa) because it’s as close to slavery as they can get—at the moment, anyway.
They do have to pay the immigrants they sponsor, but the immigrant has NO leverage. They are tied to the employer that got them the visa; if they want to work for someone else, that someone else has to apply for and be granted a visa for them. Practically speaking, this means that they pretty much have to accept whatever working conditions the employer chooses to provide, for whatever money the employer chooses to provide. Again, the employee has virtually no leverage.
Of COURSE today’s oligarchs love this system!
Trump uses it himself, of course: immigrants staff all his resorts. Because he can treat them anyway he chooses; they have no leverage. Slavery–or as close to it as can be (for now).
MAGA could argue their case on this basis, but they don’t; they’re not smart enough. Instead, they argue their case on the basis of bigotry ('we don’t want all those brown people here’).
So MAGA will just have to go on being outraged about all the immigrants that their betters choose to employ. Their Dear Leader isn’t going to do anything about it.
MAGA is now officially irrelevant. So sad for them!
I handled H-1B visas for my company for a few years, we never had a single employee relations issue from an employee we sponsored for employment. No sub-standard work, no tardiness, no conflicts with coworkers, no gross misconduct, etc., etc. The closest we came is one guy who was a pain in my ass, questioning every decision our attorney made and dictating how we’d be handling his visa. It got so bad I had a come-to-Jesus speech with the guy.
My observations match yours. These folks are not going to jeopardize their visa status. Most of them want to get the Green Card and will make sure they stay on the company’s good side. They do have the option of working for another employer, provided that employer is willing to transfer their H-1B, but few take that option.
President-elect Trump told The Post Saturday he supports immigration visas for highly skilled workers, appearing to side with Elon Musk in the roiling intra-MAGA debate on the issue.
“I’ve always liked the visas, I have always been in favor of the visas. That’s why we have them,” Trump said by phone, referring to the H-1B program, which permits companies to hire foreign workers in specialty occupations.
“I have many H-1B visas on my properties. I’ve been a believer in H-1B. I have used it many times. It’s a great program,” added Trump, who restricted access to foreign worker visas in his first administration and has been critical of the program in the past.
How about “your hands are as small as your rally-crowds” …?
It’s amazing to see the truth dawning on MAGAs like Loomer. ‘We don’t have billions so we don’t matter’…of COURSE, Laura. You’re just realizing that?
Trump does love adulation, and by siding so openly with the oligarchs against the base, he’s risking that adulation.
But maybe he’s taken a lesson from Kim Jong-Un, and decided to settle for the kind of “adulation” a dictator gets from those with rifles trained on them. I mean, it can sound fairly convincing, right?
Trump says he’s always liked the visas? I’m a little confused, because under his administration the USCIS made the H1-B visa process more difficult. I used to tell mangers, “Just assume we’re going to get a request for evidence which will tack on a few extra thousands of dollars onto our costs and require more work on our part.” Once the Biden administration took over the process became a lot easier.
I’m sure I’m mistaken though. If Trump says he’s always liked visas then the truth must be that he’s always liked them. Never mind the reality of what I experienced. If Trump says it then it must be true. I’ll just sit back and enjoy some of the MAGA tears from here.
He was probably indifferent to the H1-B visas as there was nothing in it for him–he seems to have used, exclusively, H2-B visas. Those are for workers at hotels, grounds workers on golf courses, etc.
Of course he likely doesn’t know the difference between the two types, and so claimed he used the H1-B type.
As with anything Trump related, I don’t think he personally cared one way or the other, he just does whatever he thinks is good for him. I only started handling H-1Bs during the 1st Trump administration, but my lawyer and others told me how the process had gotten a lot more difficult under his administration. When Biden took office the change was immediate, so I’m hard pressed to think Trump was completely indifferent. Making immigration more difficult is exactly what MAGA wanted, Trump only has a change of heart because he’s beholden to Musk rather than his adoring MAGA crowd.
I agree with each of those remarks. I’d say that the specific cause of the change in the H1-B process during the Trump years may have happened at the request of Stephen Miller or one of his minions, given that Miller is known to be very white-supremacist and anti-immigrant.
And maybe it was mentioned to Trump and Trump said ‘what about my ability to staff my resorts with cheap overseas labor’ and he was assured that this slowing-down of processing applied only to smarty-pants tech workers. And so Trump shrugged and went back to his golf game.
Now Miller has to bow down to Musk (there’s an image for you) and let in all the icky dark-skinned people that Musk wants. Too bad, Stephen!
I was really hoping I wouldn’t have to re-learn how not to bang my head on my desk after reading news articles which highlight Trump’s typical self-contradictions.
This reminds me of an Episode of The Expanse. They’re evacuating the atmosphere of the ship before a battle. Holden mentions how he doesn’t like this part, and Naomi reminds him that they’re about to get a lot of holes punched in their ship.
“Yeah, but this feels like we’re agreeing with it.”
Heh. Yeah, any labor required to install padding would feel bitter indeed, given that you wouldn’t have had to do it except for the success of the unspeakable.
The analogy with the spacers’ grudging precaution is quite good. It’s unfair!