The titular date is for the sentencing hearing of Trump. I’m putting it in The BBQ Pit because I don’t want you to hold back on your verbiage when you discuss what you think the sentence should be, what should be taken into account, and ultimately what you have to say about the actual sentence when that’s stated from the bench.
I’d like to see him get the same sentence anyone else who has pulled the crap he has would get. For example: constantly pushing or breaking the gag order, lying about the process, etc.
I know what I’d like to see. But I have no hope of it happening.
Just like everything you put your undying trust in, say, Love, loyalty, and truth. The justice system has udderly failed when it comes to defendants like Trump. They get away with things us normal humans would never get away with.
It’s sickening.
I don’t there’s any actual metric for it. Anyone else would’ve been jettisioned into the slammer at the outset of the trial for doing about 1% of the crap he pulled.
It’s a very tough call for the judge, made all the worse by the fact that the circumstances are unprecedented, not to mention the threats being directed against everyone involved by the orange felon and his gang of mobsters. I really don’t know what to predict but I suspect the judge will prefer to err on the side of a lighter sentence, maybe home confinement or community service. Or the judge might very well decide to suspend the sentence on the basis that the next time the orange felon is convicted of a crime, a much more severe sentencing becomes someone else’s problem.
Anything other than a custodial sentence in an actual penitentiary is no punishment whatsoever, IMHO. The judge should not allow a concern that the magats will riot or commit other crimes dictate his decision. Law enforcement around the country should be well prepared for whatever will happen that date. They can consider the preparations for that date a rehearsal for January 6, 2025.
Unprecedented, you mean no one has ever been found guilty of falsifying business records before?
Or do you mean that equal justice under the law is a fiction, and no one with Trump’s level of influence has ever been found guilty before?
Let’s face it, the Orange Felon is in a truly unprecedented situation, since former and possibly future presidents are not normally felons, and in fact, have never been so designated. The Orange Felon has been exploiting that fact for all he can milk it for. I agree that in theory he should be treated like anyone else, but the practical reality is that these circumstances really are unique. My own preference is that he’d be thrown off a cliff, but I’m describing political reality here.
Well, he is a cow-ard who milks the rest of the herd with his stupid greedy schemes. Anything less than jail time is bullshit, though I appreciate that it is a (so far) unique situation.
When a powerful figure commits a wide range of serious crimes for decades – rape, tax fraud, theft of services, inciting insurrection, etc. – and gets away with it, then the judicial system itself is on trial.
Again and again, “political considerations” have allowed Trump to thumb his nose at the law. Miraculously, in this particular case (falsifying business records in NY), he was prosecuted and convicted nevertheless. This repeat offender has never repented, and he endangered witnesses and jurors by lashing out against them. (Next year, he might even be in a position to retaliate against the judge.) The sentencing on July 11 should not cut him any more breaks. He should be sentenced just like any ordinary criminal would be.
I don’t. I want him to get the sentence that Republicans would be screaming for Obama to get, if it were him in trouble in this scenario.
Don’t they want President Obama to be hanged without trial?
I believe you’re thinking of Mike Pence.
As a first time offender he should get a fairly light sentence of say 6 months and a fine. Then suspend 5 months of that sentence and let him serve for the contempt of court charges. Thirtey days in jail would be enough to show him that the legal system is serious about locking him up still allow him to run for office, while giving him an incentive to take the rest of his trials seriously.
I beleive that for the comtempt of court charge he can be locked up immediatly without awaiting an appeal.
In my perfect world it would play out like this:
The judge would tell Trump that he’s being given a choice. Give a complete, public and truthful accounting of all of your actions related to this case and receive a fine, probation and community service. Tell a single lie and it’s off to prison for a year.
Of course it can’t happen that way but I would love to see it.
This judge has not shown any particular patience with Trump. I’m optimistic.
Oh, no. I’m fairly certain they want that for both Pence and Obama.
I agree with you Monty. We cannot let the MAGAT’s run the country. If Trump doesn’t get his just deserts, it will set a very, very bad precedent and allow him and others to continue their crime spree.
The judge and his family may have to go into witness protection. Whatever happens we have to come down HARD on the MAGAT’s that will threaten him.
I think the mob boss should get a similar sentence that Michael Cohen. He directed Cohen to commit the crime. He then tried to cover it up.
I worry what the corrupt SCOTUS will rule on immunity. I wonder if that would only be for Federal crimes, of which Trump has committed many serious ones.
No, they don’t want me on a jury re: Trump. I have already made up my mind. Seeing crimes committed and clear, obvious evidence will do that.
…that repeatedly violated judge’s orders, talked about the case outside the courtroom and cast aspersions about the prosecutor’s and judge’s families during trial, lied about the case, stated publicly that he intends to seek retribution to those that have wronged him, and is completely unrepentant.
Frankly I am tired of this “first time offender” crap when the person making this claim doesn’t tell the whole story.
Since this is the Pit, I’m fucking tired of it to. I don’t expect Trump to serve 20 years, at least not for this, but a sentence between 6-24 months seems about right though if the court decided more was warranted I wouldn’t shed any tears. For all the reasons you’ve listed and more, even after the verdict, I believe Trump would falsify records again without hesitation. He deserves no consideration.