I recently learned that pigs (and some other mammals) have their clitoris inside their vagina.
Why do I mention it? Only because for some reason I remember an intelligent design thread from several years back where I was listing many ways in which the human body is poorly designed. The fact that the clitoris was on the outside, I thought, was rather stupid. Surely this has caused a lot of frustration over the span of human history. Some joked that it helped weed out bad partners. Several posters, many of them women IIRC, pointed out that giving birth with a clitoris on the inside might be a really bad idea. I didn’t dwell on it. But the point with starting from scratch is you wouldn’t even really need a clit in particular because you wouldn’t need homologous organs anyway. Just transfer the clit nerves to around the vaginal canal. That way it would make sense and women could enjoy penetration a lot more.
But that doesn’t matter. Pigs have clits in their vagina!
So, it’s just a fact of life that the intelligent designer wants sows to get off more than women. And now you know.
The human clitoris isn’t entirely on the outside. That’s just the tip. The ‘roots’ or ‘legs’ of the clitoris are internal and shaped differently depending on the woman (as well as located in different areas, including their depth and distance from the vagina).
Pay for elective surgery to have this done. Hmmmm.
Not only no, fuck no - stop to think about this for a moment. One of the reasons that vaginal delivery is painful is the nerve tissues in the vaginal tissues being damaged at the same time the tissues are being stretched as the sprog is shoved out. Do you really want even more highly sensitive nerve tissue getting the extra stimulation of a watermelon being shoved out a hole the normal size of a lemon? How about that possible tearing and cutting of an episiotomy? How about the resulting nerve damage and possible loss of sensation from the tearing or cutting of the nerve tissue as part of the delivery?
How about leaving things the way they ended up? External clit seems to work quite well for women currently [except for some benighted jackasses who do clitorectomies]
I thought I remember reading somewhere that female pigs have higher successful fertilization rates if they are sexually stimulated during the act. Oh yeah, Bonk by Mary Roach. Apparently the Danish government made and distributed a DVD about it.
An episiotomy is through the perineum. If it’s a particularly bad one, it may go through muscle tissue and nearly to the anus, but usually it’s just the skin of the perineum to control the damage rather than letting the body tear naturally (and unpredictably). The reasons an episiotomy is there instead of at the anterior wall (the front) of the vagina are that the majority of tears are in the perineum and cutting through the anterior of the vagina would be pointless as well as damaging to the urinary system.
Because the clitoris is the homolog of the penis, it’s not going to be between the vagina and anus in a mammal, the place where an episiotomy or tears from birth will occur. In pigs–and it can be assumed it would be the same if for some reason women were growing them internally, since because of fetal development it has to be near where the penis forms–it’s at the ventral wall of the vagina, in a relatively safe place. The ventral wall and anterior wall are the same place, except they are described differently in humans versus quadrupeds since what is aimed at the ground on a quadruped’s trunk is aiming forward on a human.
Does it make birth harder or more painful? I don’t think so. Pigs don’t seem any more distressed about birth than animals with clitorises further from the action.
Do you have a cite? IIRC from 1st year comparative anatomy, the clitoris of a pig is not inside its vagina. It is inside the antrum, the common opening for both the urethra and the vagina, which then leads out to the vulva.
I can’t find my anatomy books, though, and the diagrams google is giving me are rather simplistic to clarify such a nuanced point.
The intelligent designer also wants some animals to eat their food twice to get proper nutrition from it, which casts the “intelligent” part into great doubt for me.
Oh, yeah, I’d thought of this after I posted, but the edit window had expired. IIRC, it’s not in the vagina unless you’re mislabeling the entire urogenital region “the vagina.” My only dissection experience with a pig was on a fetus and I can’t find a good diagram to confirm this, though.
Yeah, it’s not in the vagina. It’s roughly analagous to where it is on humans, if our labia were a bit longer and formed an antrum of our vulvas. To say a pig’s clitoris is in her vagina is using the layspeak version of “vagina”, meaning everything south of the mons and north of the anus: then humans’ clits are in the vagina, too!
Wasn’t there a doctor who performed unconsenting surgery on a few patients to “improve” the design of their genitalia to, so he thought, lead to greater orgasms? IIRC, he moved the clitoris so it was inside the vagina, and it didn’t go well. Intercourse was extremely painful for these women.
Geez, that sounds like the plot for a bad police/medical drama, so I might be making it up, but I really thought it was nonfiction.
