A pitting of Liberal and the Mods that let it happen.

[Liberal]

[QUOTE=Jodi]
Fucking duh. You start with a premise, but there is not necessarily any foregone conclusion to be drawn from the premise alone – especially when you are speaking about something as subjective as successful argument.
[/quote]
What the hell are you talking about? Again with the “foregone”. You’re conducting a monologue.

Ah, hard determinism. I fail to see how you can reconcile this with political libertarian or Christianity, both of which are obviously at odds with it. Not that I am inviting you to try; I couldn’t care less how you rationalize your own personal philosophical inconsistencies and I laugh as I watch you rationalize your own bad behavior.

Hard determinism? Because I don’t believe in parallel universes? The hell.

I was NEVER your friend. I don’t like you because you are vicious to people, and then you apologize, minimize, or kiss their ass. I don’t respect you because you lack the courage of your own avowed convictions. I spend quite a bit of time ignoring your crackpot theories and your insincere niceties alternating with amazing meanspiritedness, and only post when the outrageousness or contemptibility of your words or actions becomes so amazing as to provoke me to say something.

Let’s see. Fishing through all those nice words about how mean I am, the only actual point I can find you making is that you’re a bitch because you can’t help yourself. Is that the gist of it?

Oh, I see! You want to choose the sort of interaction your receive! You want to spew invective all over the Boards like you did here (Post #155) and here (Post #56)…

Two whole posts. One defending myself from an attack, and the other defending Lissa. Both in one forum. Jesus, you’re a douche. You spew with the best of 'em, momma.

(Helpful hint: you can link to a post directly by right-clicking its number and selecting “Copy to clipboard”, and then pasting it into your text.)

[Contrapuntal]

[QUOTE=Stranger On A Train]
Jesus, are you kids still playing this video game? Turn off the vid, go outside and shoot some hoops or take the dog for a walk. I have a hard time seeing how either of the principals is worthy of this much drama, except insofar as their respective attempts to draw it upon themselves. “Double, double, toile and trouble/Fire burne, and Cauldron bubble.” May Liberal play MacBeth to pseudotriton ruber ruber’s Banquo. Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.[right]-- MacBeth, Act V, Scene 5.[/right]
Stranger
[/QUOTE]
That’s the worst limerick ever. It doesn’t even rhyme.

[Jodi]

[QUOTE=Liberal]
Let’s see. Fishing through all those nice words about how mean I am, the only actual point I can find you making is that you’re a bitch because you can’t help yourself. Is that the gist of it?
[/quote]

I’m a bitch because I hold you in contempt. What’s your excuse for your behavior? Oh, right – In ETF’s case, you suspect she might be saying mean things about you someplace else. Boo fucking hoo.

Two whole posts. One defending myself from an attack, and the other defending Lissa. Both in one forum.

Yeah, to give credit where credit is due, your whacko flameouts do tend to occur in the Pit – as do your craven apologies or minimizations later. And the Pit is also where you took your light out from under a bushel to toot your own horn regarding your own generosity here, placing your own aggrandizement over the embarrassment you might cause the other party. And the Pit is where you pulled your whole “you won’t have Dick Nixon to kick around anymore” bullshit as you did in Post # 396 here. And, of course, the Pit is where you actually paid someone to go away rather than deal with them as an adult. In fact, most of the shabby behaviors that you engage in are in the correct forum. Congratulations.

Jesus, you’re a douche.

What are you, in eighth grade?

You spew with the best of 'em, momma.

I defy you to find any post where I have ever said anything as vicious as what you said to ETF – or where I have then attempted to minimize it as just some light hearted ribbing. I also defy you to find where I hav ever had my nose as far up someone’s ass as you did here.

(Helpful hint: you can link to a post directly by right-clicking its number and selecting “Copy to clipboard”, and then pasting it into your text.)

If you’re going to call me a douche, then fuck off with your helpful tips, m’kay?

[Bryan_Ekers]

[QUOTE=Jodi]
If you’re going to call me a douche, then fuck off with your helpful tips, m’kay?
[/QUOTE]
The tip is actually useful - he throws in the passive aggression as a bonus.

[Jodi]

[QUOTE=Bryan Ekers]
The tip is actually useful - he throws in the passive aggression as a bonus.
[/QUOTE]

It may be the greatest leap forward in communication since words were chiseled on rocks; I’ll hear about it from someone who isn’t calling me names.

[DrDeth]

[QUOTE=Jodi]

Quote:
What, you’re not my friend anymore?

I was NEVER your friend. I don’t like you because you are vicious to people, and then you apologize, minimize, or kiss their ass. I don’t respect you because you lack the courage of your own avowed convictions. .
[/QUOTE]

Liberal=- I’ll be your freind. And your’s too, Jodi.

You know dudes, some of us here have strong opinions, and when two+ people have stong opinions, there is bound to be disagreement. But in a MB, these disagreements tend to turn towards hate or worse.

Look, friends- once in a while we are just going to disagree and all the debating in the world won’t change that, but name calling and cursing only makes it worse.

Can’t we just agree to disagree? Sure, I disagree with Liberal (a lot ) and with Jodi too. But I am mature and even minded enough not to convert that disagreement into dislike or hatred.

If you are a regular poster here, one who contributes- one who answers hard questions in GQ or gives good advice in IMHO or a shoulder to cry on in the PIT, or cute pet pics in MSPIMS or spiffy cites in GD - then, you* are* my friend. Even though we may disagree. Hell, I disagree strongly and often with Diogenes the Cynic- but I still admire his many contributions and have had fun in some of my debates with him. So- DtC is also my board friend.

In fact, that was my complaint about Badchad- he *never *“contributed”. Anywhere. At all. All he had was a drum with one stick and a hard-on for Polycarp. And, Polycarp is also my friend (or at least I consider him so)

Look dudes- I don’t know if Liberal did the right thing here or or not. But he has made some mighty fine contributions over many long years. I have had some satisfying (and not so satisfying) debates with him. He’s smart, he debates well, he contributes.

Ok, so you may think what Lib did here with this “bribe” is cheap and sleazy. Well, that’s fine, that’s your opinion. But can’t you just agree to disagree with Lib on this? Must this turn to hate?

And, when you do decide that someone has acted badly in a thread or is so damn fucking wrong it hurts- can you leave that aside for the next thread, OK? Don’t carry over grudges. Who knows- you may disagree 100% with Lib here but find yourself nodding in agreement at his comments in another.

[crazyjoe]

[QUOTE=Rubystreak]
Do you really think so? Wow. My marriage is on some sliding scale equivalency with posting on the SDMB in your twisted little world? Give me a fucking break.

[/quote]

Perhaps you’re failar with a quote from Winston Churchill, who once asked a woman if she’d sleep with him for a million dollars. She said sure. He then asked if she’d sleep with him for a dollar. She was insulted, proclaiming “what sort fo person do you think I am?” His response was “We’ve already established what you are, madam, now all we’re doing is haggling over the price.”

I never said they were equivalent, I said that the difference is a matter of degree. Sorry I touched a nerve, but you were calling people morons for saying they’d refuse money to leave the board. I’d refuse it. I don’t need it that bad, and I enjoy my time here.

Ya think? Maybe because I’m madly in love with my fiance and want to spend the rest of my life with him, have children, grow old and die with him. The SDMB? That’d be like giving up my lifetime subscription to Rolling Stone. Not like giving up my marriage. Fucking stupid analogy, really.

Is any of that somehow precluded by not getting married? Just take the money, and live happily ever after. Again, you place a lower value on this board than many people. This board is interactive, and I have gotten a lot of value returned to me by being able to ask questions here. Apparently you do too, or you wouldn’t continue to spend 15 bucks per year to keep your membership.

I derive a lot of enjoyment from this board too, but if someone hated me enough to want me gone, and would actually give me $500 to go, I’d take it and consider myself well shut of the place.

Bully for you. Others wouldn’t. But according to you, they’re fucking morons if they don’t. Because they place value on different things than you. Some people have already sunk over 100 bucks into membership here, and plan on sticking around for a long time…maybe even long enough to sink 400 more in. Why would they give up that opportunity for something they enjoy?

Intolerant? Huh? People are ridiculing PRR for taking money to leave here, and I think he was smart. Why not make some cash to leave a place that was full of hate for you? I think the intolerance is coming from other quarters, like the person who was so intolerant of PRR that he’d PAY HIM $500 to leave. Why not attack him instead of dragging my marriage into your bullshit, wrongheaded analogy-making nonsense?

Because I really don’t care one way or another. I wasn’t the one calling people fucking morons because they wouldn’t have taken a similar deal. What Exit? isn’t hated by a lot of people here, and enjoys posting. Why would he take the deal? For 500 bucks? That would be gone in 2 months worth of car payments, or one wedding cake…and then what? The cash is gone and you can’t go back to someplace you enjoy.

I make my car payments and I’m buying the fucking cake. But I’d still take $500 right now to end what is just a form of entertainment and diversion to me. I’m glad you’re rolling in dough, and it must be nice. If this place is so important to you, I kinda feel sorry for you, and I’m still entitled to my opinion, right? Even though I’m not fucking married to the SDMB…

I feel sorry for people who have to make judgements on the actions of other people over something so trivial.
Gee, thanks for the affirmation. However, I think you’re a moron for equating my marriage to a membership on the SDMB. There you go.
[/QUOTE]

[CarnalK]

Since Liberal basically asked for it let’s make this a nice comfy Type 2 pile-on for him. My favourite example of Liberal showing his scummy, yet cloying, side:
“My Character Weakness”

Also, I wonder if prr is going to be as good at staying away as his benefactor Liberal.

So, the only options left to me are three: (1) suppress myself and post as though I were someone else, (2) stop posting, or (3) post less often and less acerbically, but remain true to myself. I’m choosing door number three. In fact, I won’t be back in this thread, or even back in the Pit at all, which is where most of the board’s cruelty — including that coming from me — takes place.

From his triumphant return from his last suspension.

[Jodi]

[QUOTE=DrDeth]
And, when you do decide that someone has acted badly in a thread or is so damn fucking wrong it hurts- can you leave that aside for the next thread, OK? Don’t carry over grudges. Who knows- you may disagree 100% with Lib here but find yourself nodding in agreement at his comments in another.
[/QUOTE]

It’s not a grudge so much as it is an extremely poor opinion. I can’t just set it aside from post to post; who people think we are and the esteem in which they hold us (or lack thereof) is cumulative, based on posting history and perceived collective behaviors. I’m sure he doesn’t care for me, either.

What I can do, is go back to ignoring most of what he says and considering the source for the rest of it. If I’d merely stuck wth that, I could have saved myself a ton of aggravation. Other people will make up their own minds, I don’t need to beat them over the head with mine. So on this subject, I will fade back into the woodwork.

[saoirse]

[QUOTE=crazyjoe]
Perhaps you’re failar with a quote from Winston Churchill, who once asked a woman if she’d sleep with him for a million dollars. She said sure. He then asked if she’d sleep with him for a dollar. She was insulted, proclaiming “what sort [of] person do you think I am?” His response was “We’ve already established what you are, madam, now all we’re doing is haggling over the price.”
[/QUOTE]

That was George Bernard Shaw*. Also, his point was that the woman’s virtue had a price. The fact that it was high made it a difference in degree, not kind, from a streetwalker. Rubystreak is saying that her posting priveleges are different in kind from her marriage.

It has been pointed out in another thread that everyone has a price for not posting at the SDMB. Hers is $500. She has no price for not marrying her husband. Since makes them different in kind, saying that the two are equivalent is stupid.
*Also, the offer was made in pounds. If it had been Churchill, it would still have been in pounds, genius.

[Rubystreak]

[QUOTE=crazyjoe]
Perhaps you’re failar with a quote from Winston Churchill, who once asked a woman if she’d sleep with him for a million dollars. She said sure. He then asked if she’d sleep with him for a dollar. She was insulted, proclaiming “what sort fo person do you think I am?” His response was “We’ve already established what you are, madam, now all we’re doing is haggling over the price.”
[/quote]

OK, now you’re calling me a whore. Way to spread the SDMB love, Sparky. You’re late to this thread; I’ve already retracted my “fucking moron” comment. You’re looking to continue to engage me in this when frankly, I’m sick of this entire debacle. Go away, find someone else to insult.

And thanks, saoirse, for saying it better than I did.

[What_Exit]

DrDeth, I like your post and I liked what you said. I have made the same argument for both PRR & Der Trihs. I know I do not hate Lib and I have not professed any hatred for him.

However, do you not hold different posters in different esteem? Many posters I hold in high esteem and some in low esteem. Liberal’s actions this past week reduced my respect for him a great deal. Respect he had rebuilt since his return. I hope you find this understandable. This does not mean I will harass him in other threads or ignore his direct questions.

It does mean I am far more likely to ignore his OPs rather than take time to read. It does mean I would probably not bother myself to defend him. These are small and personnel things. It does not hurt Liberal that I feel this way.

I do not know if it helps but I almost 0 esteem for BC and little respect.

Jim

[MrDibble]

[QUOTE=Liberal]
Possible means not necessarily impossible.

[/QUOTE]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t logical necessity entail that a thing be true in all possible worlds? Kinda kicks your objection to a parallel worlds view to the kerb, doesn’t it?

[Quiddity_Glomfuster]

[QUOTE=DrDeth]

Look, friends- once in a while we are just going to disagree and all the debating in the world won’t change that, but name calling and cursing only makes it worse.

Can’t we just agree to disagree? Sure, I disagree with Liberal (a lot ) and with Jodi too. But I am mature and even minded enough not to convert that disagreement into dislike or hatred.

[/QUOTE]

What a refreshing breath of reason! Kudos to you, Dr. D! I was starting to wonder whether this was such a great board after all. The level of venom and the amount of piling-on is pretty depressing.

[CarnalK]

The level of venom and the amount of piling-on is pretty depressing.

Then for christ’s sake, fuck off to MPSIMS.

[Bryan_Ekers]

Yeah, what the hell are you doing here, you hothouse fuckwit?

[kaylasdad99]

[QUOTE=Jodi]
It may be the greatest leap forward in communication since words were chiseled on rocks; I’ll hear about it from someone who isn’t calling me names.
[/QUOTE]

Very well. To the redoubtable Jodi nee h:

Having always held your posts in the highest esteem, and having resolved to click on any link to a SDMB thread that I find you have posted, I humbly request that you consider implementing the following tip into your coding.

When you wish to cite a specific post, it is possible to paste the URL of that post directly into your link. Doing this is a simple process. All you need to do is click on the post number that appears just to the left of the “Report this Post” icon. That will cause a new window to open, containing just that post. The URL in the address bar is what you need to cut and paste into your post, to create a link fhat goes directly to the post in question.

I would consider it a kindness if you would do this, simply to make it easier for me to find the post you are citing. I recognize that you usually include the number of the post when you put up a link to the page, and I appreciate that. However, I will point out that this suggestion saves you the trouble of doing that.

Thank you for your time. Fiat justitia.

[saoirse]

[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster]
What a refreshing breath of reason! Kudos to you, Dr. D! I was starting to wonder whether this was such a great board after all. The level of venom and the amount of piling-on is pretty depressing.
[/QUOTE]

The people in this thread would like Liberal to agree to disagree with prr. A few posters will not agree to disagree until that happens.

[Jodi]

[QUOTE=kaylasdad99]
When you wish to cite a specific post, it is possible to paste the URL of that post directly into your link. Doing this is a simple process. All you need to do is click on the post number that appears just to the left of the “Report this Post” icon. That will cause a new window to open, containing just that post. The URL in the address bar is what you need to cut and paste into your post, to create a link fhat goes directly to the post in question.
[/quote]

You don’t say! Let me try it: kaylasdad99’s post shoud appear here.

Huh! Handy feature. Although sometimes I don’t like the one-post-only links because they don’t give you context for the post. But very handy nonetheless. Thank you. Fiat 99’ers!

[Bryan_Ekers]

[QUOTE=saoirse]
The people in this thread would like Liberal to agree to disagree with prr. A few posters will not agree to disagree until that happens.
[/QUOTE]

I disagree.