I didn’t claim Trump’s statement was true. Only that it was not bigoted.
Context is everything here. Trump was making the point that illegal immigration from Mexico is harmful because it contains a disproportionate percentage of criminals. Whether or not this is correct, it’s not the same thing as saying “Mexicans are rapists”.
Much in the same way the OP is not the same thing as saying “Trump supporters are bigots”.
They are rapists, they are racists, they are misogynists. Some, I assume, are good people.
Do you think that Trump supporters would be happy with that?
No – IIRC, he said that Mexico sends rapists to America.
Who said “Be on the lookout for Trump supporters…”? What post are you quoting? I have no idea where you’re getting this that I said, and I’d like to know specifically the words that I posted that you have an issue with.
No, the Democrats only think that because… Koch brothers.
I’d just like to point out that while Trump ran with an R after his name, he’s not a conservative. He has shown a history of supporting very liberal ideals such as eminent domain (which is anathema to conservatives who believe in property rights). He did outwardly champion many conservative issues, such as curbing illegal immigration and supporting gun rights, but his proposed solutions include increasing the size of government and its power which is also anathema to conservatives. Many of his supporters are disaffected Americans who just want someone very different in power and think he’ll help them with their personal situation rather than people voting for ideals. Of course there are also people who supported him just to keep Hillary out of power.
Many conservatives can’t stand him, which was pretty evident during the Republican primary race. And others were reluctant to support him even after nomination (and many still are even now I’m sure). Conservatives weren’t givens very good choices this election.
Look, let’s be crystal clear.
Trump’s rhetoric absolutely was something that would sound more welcoming to a racist than anything said by Clinton during this campaign. It’s blind to not acknowledge that.
But that doesn’t allow any conclusions about how many of his supporters are racists.
And during the 2008 primaries, Clinton’s supporters in rural Pennsylvania refused to vote for “one of them,” referring to the dark-skinned Obama. That is true, and yet does not transform Clinton supporters into racists. It means that in that specific instance, the ugliness of racism found a more welcoming berth with one candidate than another. Period.
And it falls to everyone, but conservatives especially, to call out that kind of garbage if we see it, because liberals may be handicapped by the suggestion that their attack is a partisan one. That’s equally clear, and it’s something I am happy to be alert for.
Why do you act as though you know me? You seem to be judging me. Since I’m sensing so much disapproval from you, I would guess you most likely voted Hillary or didn’t vote at all. Yet, I’m not posting snarky things about the choice you made. And, you are worried about Trump being in office? If this is an example of the way Hillary supporters treat those that differ with them, it’s that side with the problem. I just posted originally to this thread because I thought the original post was making generalizations about conservatives that aren’t true. I’m sorry I just included the line about if this is how Hillary supporters… That makes me just like you, making unfair generalizations because I have the intelligence to know that’s not true, that people had good intentions with the choices they made. I’m guessing now there will be a post about me not being so intelligent because you disagree with my vote. Can we just agree to disagree? 
Republicans shouldn’t question anything. Turmp got a lot of political capital out of questioning Obama’s birth. He got tremendous support for his campaign rhetoric about immigrants and Muslims. It was up to liberals to prove him wrong and they couldn’t. All their arguments were soundly rejected. So, as democracy logic goes, it’s liberals who are wrong, not Republicans.
Let’s be even more crystal clear.
Republican/conservative policies are more appealing to racists than Democratic ones. It’s blind not to acknowledge that.
But the rest of your post holds in regards to this as well.
Let me be the first to apologize. As I’m sure you already know from your long period of lurking before registering an account today, our primary objective here is administering love.
Used to be the tagline on the masthead, in fact, before they went with the “fighting ignorance” thing— over my strenuous objections, by the way.
so to be clear you don’t want Republicans to do things like insisting we segregate by race at college dorms, block people who don’t match our race from free access to public spaces or block traffic and businesses until our demands are met.
I repeat, Shodan’s a gentleman.
I must agree that **Shodan **has spoken quite wisely on that matter.
Well while I’m here, an elaboration of my own on the thread plea:
I have encountered a surprsing amount of people in my various social networks who are not just in shock and disbelief or sad or angry.
They are positively, utterly TERRIFIED with paralyzing dread that their doom is sealed. Partly, that policies will be implemented that will be harmful to them and not just in the pocketbook but in the sense of their freedom and personal integrity, but, partly also that this will embolden the OP-described “dark element” to declare open season on them in everyday life and not over stuff like baking or not baking a damn cake or providing a trigger warning, but major stuff like firings and evictions and discrimination and harassment all the way to actual violent assault.
At the very least, the community on the winning side should be clear it did not constitute license for the “dark elements” to feel unleashed to do their thing.
And Patx2, I’m sorry but if you’re going to take offense at someone saying “Please be alert for a dark element among Trump supporters” and claim that is calling you a bigot by association, that is not going to gain traction here. The OP was worded in quite acceptable terms, challenging the supporters to be on the lookout for those who’d use their movement as “cover”, and the proposal can be debated and argued – but it was not the OP that laid general accusations of bigotry.
I agree with this. I am unable to post as much as I would like, but I do read when I have some time. Shodan reminds me of my husband. My Republican husband. Sure, they can snark hard, and both have a low tolerance for what they consider bullshit. But I know that my husband adores my Democratic ass to pieces; he is fiercely loyal to those he loves regardless of, well, anything. He doesn’t give a shit about race, social class, sexuality, or anything else. If you are a decent person, that’s all he needs to know.
He voted for President Elect Trump. Did I like it? To be honest, I did not. But I do understand why he did. I felt that the our country was doing well. He thinks it can be better. It is my hopeful belief that there are more people in the Republican party that are like Shodan and my Sweet Baboo than the assjackets who get all of the media attention.
Because, seriously. This partisan shit is becoming exhausting. Find common ground and work out the differences. This is something that our elected officials used to be able to accomplish. If my husband and I can do it, then so can the rest of the USA, dammit!
P.S. We are not James Carville and Mary Matalin.
This now infamous example doesn’t really involve expanding anyone’s traditional definition of misogyny:
[QUOTE=President-elect Donald Trump in 2005, when he was 59 years old]
Trump: No, no. Nancy. No this was— And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, ‘I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.’ I took her out furniture– I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. And she was married. Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.
…
Trump: Yeah, that’s her, with the gold. I’ve got to use some Tic Tacs, just in case I start kissing her. You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. I just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.
Unidentified voice: Whatever you want.
Trump: Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.
[/QUOTE]
I remember hearing an apology that minimized this as “locker room” talk, but not a single word was uttered about the brazen arrogance and entitlement to treat women however he wanted whenever he wanted.
Trump also has a long history of misogynistic comments with Howard Stern that are a lot more comparable to locker room talk than the 2005 tape.
I don’t know you. I know the person you put into the highest office of the country, though, and supporting him doesn’t fit well with your claims of not supporting bullies, and not liking bigotry. At the very least, you’re okay enough with those things to support them so long as they’re not directed at you, personally, so long as there’s some other payoff for you in it.
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while I was not a Trump supporter, but rather one of the last conservative Dems (well former Dem when my registration change goes thru) and voted Hillary, I want a Trump presidency to work out. I didn’t oppose him because I had some notion that all or even most of his supporters are racist; I opposed him because I didn’t like his mentality about things; being a shoddy salesman, etc.
However, some elements of the alt-right did kind of hurt him with me. But he’s POTUS elect now. I would love for Trump to be a POTUS with as many neo-Nazi fans as Bush, Reagan, etc. had: next to zero. He has a few more than zero than I’d like. One way to change that would be to spread this: this will help demoralize neo-Nazis and show them Trump doesn’t see Jews as they do. It could also help Trump appeal to, and thus seek out more mainstream people. And keep our country strong, you know, and make America great again.
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