In my opinion, support for an assault weapons ban is disqualifying. It’s a bright line rule for me. I do not support any new gun restrictions, but not all of them are disqualifying.
You are free to make that choice – but why are assault weapons so much more important than decency?
Let’s not get sidetracked on an in-depth fun control discussion, here.
For the purposes of this thread the fact alone is enough.
Isn’t fun control what you mods are all about?
Well, I did say he was my 1st choice on who can beat trump, and since that is paramount right now, he is who I voted for. But in a perfect world, vs a decent GOp candidate?
For fuck’s sake, man. I’m as pro-gun as it gets on this board, particularly as it pertains to the “assault weapons” issue. Random examples I can list hundreds more.
Giving up your entire country for the sake of some small hypothetical restriction on guns is insane. This man is the essence of corruption, under the control of our #1 geopolitical adversary, systematically dismantlingly United States diplomatic and soft power throughout the world, ruining our reputation around the world, domestic faith in our country, destroying our institutions, and basically wrecking our country worse than any enemy could.
Even if you want to say “I need to keep my guns to be able to fight against a tyrant like Trump”, then first FIGHT TRUMP at the ballot. Besides which, “our” pro-gun brothers who claim to want to fight tyranny, where are they now? Trump said his “authority is total” and he fucking acts like it. Are they stocking up and preparing to fight a fucking insurgency against this tyrant? No, they’re fucking cheering him on. Right wing anti-tyranny gun extremism is a sham. Not because it isn’t possible for an armed populace to conduct an effective insurgency against a modern military, but because the people who claim to be prepared for such an incident are among the greatest supporters of the tyrant.
You’re refusing to cast your vote to fight actual tyranny, in a way that substantially matters right now, so that you could maintain your guns for an unlikely fight against some hypothetical fight against future tyranny that will never actually come because it turns out that most of the people that share your view on this are on the side of tyranny.
I, as a completely certified “gun nut” gun advocate, would never sell out our entire country for what will end up being some minor concessions on guns or nothing, as given the demographics of the country and more pressing matters, gun control is not likely to be a big issue on the table in the immediate future. If you love this country more than you love guns, neither should you.
And we’re not talking about “choose between your country and your guns”, because total gun bans are not on the agenda. We’re talking about saving your country vs some possible hypothetical minor action on guns. This is a trivially easy call, and you are derelict in your duty as an American to sit this one out because of this issue.
5th for me, after Harris, Warren, Yang and Booker.
I don’t often agree with SenorBeef, but I heartily endorse this post. There is a clear and present danger to democracy and if we fail to remove it in November we may never have another chance. We may disagree on guns, we may disagree violently on guns, but can we just put that aside for the next few years? We have to restore a functioning government, then when it’s back in place we can go back and debate policy issues. Right now there can be only one issue- do you want government in the hands of fascists or not?
How dare you try to control my fun??
I dissent. However, my vote for POTUS is actually irrelevant. My state will go Red no matter what. Nothing I do or say is going to change that. Trump gets no benefit from me either way. Biden would get no benefit from my vote…a vote for him in a state he loses doesn’t matter. A third party might benefit if my vote helps them qualify for ballot access/funds/blood magic/whatever.
I agree. I always thought that was a particularly weird turn of events; coming off of Obama who was reasonably popular, the Democrats went with Clinton, who was a fairly controversial and not widely popular candidate, rather than pull that page from the 1988 GOP playbook and trot Joe out as Obama’s heir apparent and someone we are already familiar with and can trust.
Hillary spent 10 years orchestrating her chance to run. This included talking Biden out of running. By all rights it should have been Biden but we got Hillary.
Biden had just lost his son and I think his heart wasn’t in it so it was easy for him to step aside for Clinton. Biden cites losing his son and grieving as the major factor and, whatever people might think about Biden otherwise, I honestly doubt he decided to his his son’s death as a bullshit excuse and am inclined to believe that was legitimately his thought process.
I personally wished at the time he would run in 2016. He was my first pick for 2020 although I was open to entertaining second choices (especially when he was looking knocked out early in). It wouldn’t have been difficult for me to flip to someone else but Biden was the top of my list.
Unlike the majority here, Biden was my number one choice as soon as he threw his hat in the ring. I have always seen him as a gentle return to normalcy after the calamity we’ve been dealing with under Trump. Since Joe is not an extremist, I feel he has the best chance of being effective. If elected, I don’t think Warren or, especially, Sanders could have gotten a tiny fraction of their agendas pushed through. Neither would have the full support of their party behind them and they would face unified opposition in Republican ranks. Biden’s electability vs the others’ is another plus on his side. Trump demonstrated his fear of Joe as a candidate and a desire to run against Sanders or Warren. Do you really think that Trump is capable of reverse psychology on a scale that got him impeached?
I agree with you 100% about Joe’s honesty in not running in 2016. He just had the emotional shit kicked out of him. I think I would have had trouble voting for him if he had run right after such a personal tragedy. It would have marked him as having the traits of a sociopath, like Trump. Well, on second thought, Trump would still have been the Republican candidate so I would still have voted for Biden. Hell, versus Trump, I think I’d vote for Satan. I think he would be the lesser evil.
I’d have to think about it myself. Satan at least respects the truth in the breach instead of just spewing verbal diarrhea.
Whatever. They’ll never let Gen X take the presidency - thy’ll skip right over us to a Millennial if they have to.
“They” :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: There is no “they”.
At this point “they” have decided not to let the young whippersnappers of the Baby Boom be president again either.
ETA nevermind. Trump just sneaks in at the leading edge of the Baby Boom. They would not let the Democrats nominate a youngin this time.
Since I’m a late primary state I hadn’t bothered doing a complete ranking of the candidates assuming (correctly) that it would be all over by the time it got to me. My top preference would probably be Warren, although I would be concerned about her electability, with Biden coming somewhere in the top 5. Needless to say, I’m voting for him in November.