A sobering thought for gun proponents

I have nothing against guns or gun owners. I own a few myself. I’ve seen threads here (and had conversations IRL) debating the wisdom of having a loaded gun in your bedroom for protection.

Last night my wife came home late from a road trip. I had fallen asleep waiting for her. She came in through the garage, the door of which makes enough noise to be easily heard, unlocked the door to the house, and bumped upstairs with her suitcase, making little attempt to be stealthy. I didn’t hear a thing until she came into the bedroom.

Had she been a criminal, a weapon of any sort would have done me no good whatsoever. I remember reading an interview with a burgler some years ago, wherein he replied to a question about being worried about someone having a gun. His reply was to the effect of “I can be in your house and on you before you even know I’m there.” Last night’s experience certainly made the point.

I don’t expect a my home firearm to wake me up if it hears a noise.

Your argument is certainly valid against anyone out there that does have this belief, but I certainly agree that a firearm, and nothing else, is insufficient for a home safety scheme.

A gun is just one component in effective home security. It doesn’t wake you up, it doesn’t help identify intruders, it doesn’t telephone for help. Sounds like you need to make some changes to your own home security.

Sounds like what you need is a dog! But your soundness of sleeping doesn’t have anything to do with guns, really.

Or a motion-sensing, heat-seeking robot with restraining arms and a spear-pointed pneumatic ram. I hope you don’t sleepwalk. :wink:

A motion-sensing, heat-seeking GIRL robot with restraining arms and a spear-pointed pneumatic ram! :wink:

How can it be a girl robot if it has a spear-pointed pneumatic ram?

And twin 44s!

and big chainsaw hands, RZZZZZ!

but it can only be 5 feet tall…

Machine gun jubblies, baby! How did I miss those?

It’s a strap-on spear-pointed pneumatic ram, of course.

And flamethrowers, you gotta have flamethrowers.

Correct. My point was that even had I had a gun nearby, the liklihood that I could find it in my groggy state and use it effectively against someone (not my wife) who is an aggressor and only three feet from the bed is questionable. It was just a fairly graphic illustration.

I have flamethrowers, however.

Could you elaborate? What kind? Like the modern incendiary projectile launching ones or the WW2 style spray fire everywhere ones? And where the hell did you manage to get one anyway? It’s not like Wal-Mart carries them you know.

Me? Pyro? You don’t say.

In which case you don’t even make an attempt to retrieve and brandish the weapon. Just because a person has a loaded firearm for self-defense, it doesn’t mean it is the correct option every time. Conversely, just because a loaded firearm isn’t always the advisable defense, it doesn’t mean that in certain situations it would be. Keeping a loaded firearm in the house obligates the owner to consider beforehand not just how to safely use it, but under what circumstances it may be safely used.

Of course. IF I have enough warning, my .12 ga comes out of the closet. My only point in this MPSIMS thread is that anyone with some skill at B&E can be in your face before you know it. No gun argument was intended, hence my opening statement.

Just ask for the ‘self-immolation’ section. I think it’s over by the Pampers.

Considering the number of toys trusquirt manages to have lying around the ground floor that either roll or make music if you even so much as walk past them, I would lay even money that our buglars would announce themselves by eihter a rousing rendition of “mary had a little lamb” or a rolling sound followed by a big thump & cursing, rather than the alarm system we have in our house.

Serously, though, a good security plan involves layers of protection, of which a firearm should only be part of the last, and innermost, layer.

Layer one should be the landscaping arround your house, designed to eliminate hiding places and expose the doors & windows.

Layer two should be the perimeter of your house, designed to be sufficiently hard to break into so as to require effort noise, and time.

Layer three should offer means of detection and notification of intrusion. This can include a security system, a dog, etc.

Layer four is the active planning and rehearsing of pre-defined protocols for you family members addressing a few contingencies: “bump” in the night, home invasion, and doorbel rung in the night by someone “asking for emergency help” You need to plan your actions for each scenario, assign tasks: who gets the kids to the safe room, who calls 911, who goes to investigate (if at all), etc, etc.

Layer five is a “safe retreat” room (one for night time, one for day) which can be securely locked, has a land phone and a cell phone, ideally a control panel for the security system, and, if you chose, a firearm stored in a child safe manner. (biometric safe, trigger lock, etc. etc.)

The overall objective of the outer layers is to slow an intruder, detect them quickly, and give you time to activate the inner layers, implementing your protocols.

By the way, you should also have protocols in place for fire, any likely natural disasters in your area, illness or injurry, and any other significant threat you can anticipate.

A firearm as a means of home defence is also of questionable value if the owner does not make the effort to acquire and maintain the sufficient level of skills required to use it quickly, safely, and accurately, in the dark, with adrenaline coursing through their systems.
As a fomer skydiver, I am intimately familiar with the reason why first jumpers don’t activate their own parachute. Adrenaline seriously messes up your perception. Anyone considering a firearm for home defense should also be familiar with applicable laws in their jurisdiction, and consider a training course on the matter.

As an aside, in some states in the US, as part of the training required to carry a concealed handgun, students are requiered to write down 5 (yes, five) reasons why a stranger might be in their home, or try to break into their homes, with no intent to harm (eg. alzheimer’s patient wandering, drunk guy who think’s it’s his own house, persons fleeing an attacker, persons seeking shelter from dangerous weather, etc etc.)

Bottom line, without training, preparation, and planning, I agree that a firearm for home defense is not a good idea. As part of an overall plan, with the effort to get a keep proficiency, it can save your family’s life.

I don’t think his wife being able to get into her own house highlights a glaring flaw in his home security.

Home security is more than gadgets, guns, and locks. It’s people too. That includes said wife.