A teenager that pays rent has rights too!

I am a good student (No D’s, No F’s) and I work part time. I pay almost half of my paycheck to my Mother…I really do not mind this because my family is big and somewhere between middle class and just plain poor.
I got my job around the START of the school year and since then I have gotten the family computer online, saved our phone from being cut off 2wice, bought my brother a pair of shoes (he needed some bad), saved our cable (poor people like cable tv too), and paid for the side window on my mother’s car to be replaced.
All this was possible because I pay half of my paycheck to my Mother and I know she couldn’t have done these things without my support. For myself I got a boost mobile phone, some clothing and shoes, and put some speakers in my car…I have done more for my family than I do for myself. Yet my mother does not understand that my room should be treated like my apartment.
Don’t tell me to clean it up like I’m 12 years old
Don’t come in while I’m away and throw away Compact Discs
Don’t borrow my VCR without permission
Don’t let house guests take things off my wall
Don’t wake me up early on Saturday
Don’t tell me I need to leave the room so my brother can sleep
Don’t tell me not to have friends over after 7pm
Don’t expect me to be in my room before 12am on the weekend
Do let me put a lock on the door
Do put my 13 year old brother in the room with my other younger brother.
Another thing is this computer, if it wasn’t for me it would be nothing more than a fancy typewriter with a screen and I don’t have priority on it over my younger brothers.

**Please nobody say anything about “if I was living on my own…” or “try living in the real world” ** because I plan to do so real soon I go to what’s called a continuation school for kids who did not do well in regular public school it goes from grades 9-12 and technically im in the 12th but will need to go to school *part * of next year in order to get enough credits…anyway this is about a bigger issue I am almost grown and I give up half my paycheck for the house and anyone that pays that much rent has certain rights I just don’t think that my rights our being recognized in my humble opinion. Thanx 4 reading

It is admirable that you willingly help to support your family. And I would not venture to suggest that some of the things you listed are reasonable on your parents’ parts. But (and you knew there would be a but, didn’t you?) there are certain things you cannot pay your way out of, and one of them is obeying the rules of the house. No, I don’t think your Mom has the right to throw out your CDs or to allow people to move things off your walls, but I think telling you not to have guests over after a certain time is reasonable. A curfew is reasonable.

Respect for the house rules is expected whether you pay for your lodgings or not.

Some of the things your mother does are not fair. It sucks. But it is her home. What is very nice is you recognize many things quite a few kids your age do not. Keep your cool. Bide your time. Help your siblings, and your mother. Suck it up, suck it in and remember that despite those problems you perceive, some love in the house. It may not be displayed quite the way you want, but it’s there nonetheless. For many your age, you are way ahead of the game.

You’re still young. You have much more of your life ahead of you. You’ll make it.

And remember, a home is not a democracy. If you’re lucky, it’s a benevolent dictatorship.

Well, I see where you’re coming from, but realisitically, if you’re living under your mum’s roof, you have to live by her rules. You say it should be treated like an apartment, but it’s not. For one, even though it’s half your paycheck, you’re probably getting a very good deal, better than you would get paying for an apartment. Plus you’re getting your meals cooked, the shared areas of the house are, well, shared, it’s probably a better place than you could afford on your own, you’re living with people who care about you, you get the use of your mum’s stuff (pots & pans, washing machine, furniture etc). It’s a good deal. Trust me.
To get to your list:
Don’t tell me to clean it up like I’m 12 years old
If you don’t keep your room clean, of course she can tell you to clean it. Not only can a messy room make the rest of the house smell bad, but you’re not looking after her house, if she rents that impacts on her ability to reclaim her bond, and if she owns it could diminish the value of the property. Besides which, she may not want to live in a messy house. Her house, her rules.

Don’t come in while I’m away and throw away Compact Discs
Fair call. Have you tried talking her and telling her that you would prefer she didn’t?

Don’t borrow my VCR without permission
Another fair call. Talk to her about it.

**Don’t let house guests take things off my wall **
Fair enough again. Tell her. Tell the guests if it’s a real problem.

Don’t wake me up early on Saturday
When you’re living under her roof, getting woken up goes with the territory. Suck it up. Try talking to her, but you won’t get sympathy from me.

Don’t tell me I need to leave the room so my brother can sleep
When you’re sharing a house with anyone, you have to be considerate of the others in the house. This includes your brother. Leave the room. Let him sleep.

Don’t tell me not to have friends over after 7pm
You’re living in her house. If she says no guests after 7, then that’s the rule. Deal with it.

Don’t expect me to be in my room before 12am on the weekend
Getting in at 12am most likely disturbs the rest of the house. Not to mention the fact that your mum loves you and will stay up worrying, no matter how old you are. It comes back to her house, her rules. Also, you mention that you are still in school, she has every right to care about what time you get in while you are in full time education.

Do let me put a lock on the door
What do you need a lock for - what are you hiding? In my house, you wouldn’t get a lock either, because I don’t want anyone damaging the doorframe with screws for locks and the like.

Do put my 13 year old brother in the room with my other younger brother.
Sharing a room with your 13 year old brother is part of the deal. You knew about it when you started paying. We all have to share bedrooms with out siblings at one time or another. We don’t always enjoy it. Get over it.

Another thing is this computer, if it wasn’t for me it would be nothing more than a fancy typewriter with a screen and I don’t have priority on it over my younger brothers.
You did not buy the computer. It is not yours. Maybe your “rent” money paid for it, but it’s still not yours. Why? Well, in return for your rent money, you got a place to stay, food etc. That’s the service you paid for, that’s the service you got. The money is your mum’s to do with as she pleases, and if she buys a computer for everyone to share, then that’s her choice. It doesn’t give you priority. If you paid me rent to live in my house and I bought a computer, would you expect me to give you priority on its use?

Sorry if I sound harsh, but I don’t have a lot of sympathy for you. Your expectations seem out of touch with the realities of sharing a house with anybody, let alone living under your parent’s roof.

She does treat it like your apartment. The owner of the premises sets the rules. All of the rules. You then have the privelege of paying to abide by those rules.

If you don’t like the owners rules, move out.

(Beelzebubba, currently paying ~$1,500/month to rent a crappy place and abide by many crappy rules)

Wait, do you pay half your paycheck to your mother AND do all those extra things, or are they things she’s done, possibly with the rent money you pay her?

I’m afraid I have little sympathy. Seems like it’s a case of “Mom’s house, Mom’s rules” to me. Yes, it really sucks that she messed with your CDs and the things on your (her) wall, but just because you’re paying rent doesn’t mean you are suddenly independent. You have to move out for that. Until then - it’s her house.

Have you considered that having you there costs money too? Do you buy all your own food, toiletries, cleaning supplies? Do you contribute a portion of the utility bills? If the answer to those questions is no, then you are merely subsidising the cost of housing you, not adding additional wealth to the house. Plus, I bet Mom does the bulk of the housework, even if the kids help out with chores. If you’ve never cleaned the toilet in your house, then you need to face the fact that you’ve got a live in maid for the price of your rent.

I don’t know how much half of your paycheck is, but if you’re suddenly paying $50 a week into the place after 16? years of being supported by your parents, then it’s pretty cheeky to suggest that they suddenly owe you privacy and freedom from the household rules over an amount that’s barely going to cover the food you eat. Of course there’s not enough information in your post to draw conclusions from, but you get my point. Until you are able to go out on your own - good luck coping with it all. It’s tough, but I promise you you’ll look back someday and realise it wasn’t as unreasonable as you think it is now.

Paying half of your paycheck is certainly not equal to paying half of the rent/bills.

If it is half of the rent/bills, you’re making enough to move out and not worry about Mom’s rules. If that’s the case, move out. But, I suspect you’re not making that much. If you are, I want your ‘part-time’ job.

Sorry, but, her house=her rules.

Good on you for helping out, though.

It sounds to me like you are helping out w/ family expenses - which you should, I have heard nothing about rental agreements. Also rental agreements are usually based on a fixed payment per month and not on a fixed percentage of a person’s paycheck.

Lock on your door? Think about it from her POV, you are part of family, and living in the family house, you wish to break away and also a piece of that house. The only way I can see it happening is if you move out for a while then say you would like to move back, and willing to pay rent but would need an apartment.

[17 year old hat on] START - doesn’t it suck when parents make up stupid idiotic rules that you have to abide by? And furthermore doesn’t it absolutely blow that you get the same dumbass rules at school? F*ck’in A! grown-ups should get a clue and remember that they were teenagers too! [17 year old hat off]

[34 year old hat on] I got through it. You can too. It’s the very act of getting through it that makes you an adult. You know quite a bit about life Start, but wait until you throw in a little experience away from home, you are going to be pleasently surprised. Just Bull through it ok…You’ll make it like the rest of us. Or you won’t and you’ll fail miserably. But I assure you, take your licks now as a teenager, and enjoy your twenties, and stay out of anything that could land you in jail and you’ll be just fine. Fair thee well. :slight_smile:

Oh yeah…be pleasently obedient to your mother. Because (Biologically) she is the reason you are reading this right now…and at 25 you’ll look back and say, " Damn, where did my teenage years go!?"

While most people your age are completely and totally unaware of what it takes to maintain a home, it seems you are getting a clue. That’s wonderful. In a few years, you will be more independent and self-sufficient than most of your friends and, I dare say, better prepared to handle whatever curve balls life throws at you. So I think you’re probably mature and open-minded enough to think about this situation another way.

Pretend this is YOUR house and your mother pays rent to allow you to let her and your siblings live with you. Now, let’s go through your list. I think you may see some things where you are being completely reasonable and any reasonable parent would work with you on those issues. You may even see there are some other areas where you’re being a whiny teenager and you should compromise a little. If this were me, I would take this list to my mom and just talk to her about everything, in a calm, rational, logical, mature manner. If you handle it just right, you might get about half of those things to happen. If you try to make her feel guilty or throw your help up in her face, she’s likely to become resentful and defensive and could dig in her heels and put even more restrictions on you. If you approach her with empathy – meaning you understand where she’s coming from and you want to help her make things go smoothly in your house, then she’s more likely to listen to what you have to say and treat you more like an adult than a 12-year-old.

“When teenagers complain about not being treated like adults, it’s usually because they ARE being treated like adults.” – Heathers

Don’t tell me to clean it up like I’m 12 years old
So, now that it’s your house… You come home from work every day and there’s your mom’s clothes scattered all over one room of your house. That you work so hard to pay for. Just once, you’d like to come home to a cleaned up place.

Don’t come in while I’m away and throw away Compact Discs
That’s close to stealing. If it was your house, you’d call the police if someone stole your stuff. (My parents gave away my cat while I was off at school. I came home and my cat was gone – no warning, no explanation, nothing. I moved out the next day.) If you, as the landlord/owner went in and threw out your tenants’ stuff… they would be entitled to press charges.

Don’t borrow my VCR without permission
Assuming you paid for it in full… If it were your house, this is not unreasonable at all. I think it sends a negative message for a parent to treat an almost grown child with such disrespect. If it were your house… she’d probably ask first.

Don’t let house guests take things off my wall
Definitely a no-no in my house. Again, this is a negative example for a parent to demonstrate.

Don’t wake me up early on Saturday
So if it was your house… perhaps you’d have a “nobody gets up before noon” rule? When there are people staying with me, I don’t go around waking people up when I think they need to get up. (I never quite did understand this out of parents.)

Don’t tell me I need to leave the room so my brother can sleep
So it’s your house and you have two tenants. One who needs sleep and one who is a) playing video games, b) watching TV or c) watching a movie. Is it your right as the home owner to go ask the noisy tenant to not disturb the trying-to-sleep tenant? Talk this over… if you’re being quiet, or can use headphones or something, what’s the big deal?

Don’t tell me not to have friends over after 7pm
If it were your house, why do you think you’d forbid your tenants or roommates to have people over after a certain hour? Think about this one carefully.

Don’t expect me to be in my room before 12am on the weekend
If it were your house, you probably wouldn’t worry about your mom in the same way she’d worry about you. You’re going to have to suck this one up until you’re 18. Sorry.

Do let me put a lock on the door
If it were your house and you wanted to put a lock on the door, nobody could stop you. Unless you didn’t want to damage the wood or something. Think about why she might not want a lock on her door.

Do put my 13 year old brother in the room with my other younger brother.
If it were your house, you’d have very good reasons for deciding who sleeps in what room with who. Think about what those might be and then talk to your mom about it. Perhaps it is time to rearrange the sleeping arrangements.

Another thing is this computer, if it wasn’t for me it would be nothing more than a fancy typewriter with a screen and I don’t have priority on it over my younger brothers.
Now, now. When you give someone a gift, you can’t put restrictions on how they use it. Just because you bought it, doesn’t mean you get to say how the others use it. If you bought it for the whole family to share. Did you personally pay for the entire computer, on top of your rent, groceries and utilities? If so, then you get to say who uses it. Just because you gave the gift of making it work better and improving functionality, does not mean you get priority over others. I’m guessing they need to do their schoolwork too.

Parents owe their children privacy whether their kids are paying $50/week or nothing.

What is in question is “What constitutes enough privacy to fulfill the obligation?”

In my opinion, the door fulfills the obligation without the lock. START may feel otherwise.

It is wonderful and admirable that you do so much to help out at home. Not many teenagers would even give one thought to pitching in, and it seems you do pitch in a lot.

But believe me, and I don’t me to patronize you when I say this, but someday when you have kids of your own and they try the same thing - telling you that they deserve all the rights of the homeowner because they contribute a good portion of their part-time-job’s paycheck - you’re going to think back on this thread and laugh at your incredible naiveté.

You do have a point about some things - e.g., your mom shouldn’t be throwing away your CDs - but those valid points have nothing whatsoever to do with any amount of money you contribute to the house. If you pitched in ZERO, she still shouldn’t, normally, be throwing away your CDs. Even then though, there could well be exceptions: perhaps the rule at your house is “No Eminen CDs” and you went out and bought some anyway. Well tough for you then. You got what you deserved for breaking the rules.

Anyway, I recommend you print this thread out so you can show it to your children on their wedding days. It will give you all a big laugh.

If there is trust.

I respect my kids’ privacy, but if I thought for one minute they were doing something illegal or harmful, you can bet your sweet ass I will be looking into it.

All I ever wanted to do with a locked door when I was 17 was masturbate, not shoot up heroin.

I remember having the conversation with my parents that I wanted a lock on my door, but I couldn’t think of any reasons I was comfortable sharing with them. They thought I was up to no good, but I was just a horny little bastard. :smiley:

Dear Mom: I really, really like it when you throw away my CDs. Please continue :confused:

Your living arrangements do sound like they should be changed. How old is your youngest brother? You’re 18 or so, right? If your youngest brother is not a screaming 3 year old your 13 year old brother should be in the same room with him as opposed to your room. What is your mother’s reason for giving your youngest brother his own room while you are forced to share a room? Would she consider the fact that you will be leaving in just a few months and you would like to have your own room for the summer? Your brother would (presumably) get his own room after you leave and you’ll all be happy.

When I was 16, I had to pay my parents $75 a month. It was a lot for me at the time (hell, it’s a lot for me now…). It covered food, water, electricity, phone, and the comfort of knowing I had a roof over my head and the company of people who loved me. My parents weren’t the wealthiest people in the world, far from it. My dad had just started his own business, so he had no real income (everything he made got rolled back into the business or went to pay bills). My mom had a job, and that money covered utilities, car payments, mortgage, vacations, etc. So at the time, I figured my $75 really contributed to the family, and I was proud of it. I had money left over for myself, which I usually pissed away. But I had rules, ones I thought were unfair, especially as I got older.

Cut to several years later. I was going away to school, and for the first time, I needed to get a place of my own. I was going to have a roommate, but I knew I had to take on even more responsibility. I had some money saved up (not alot, but enough to start. I needed to get a job after I got settled in), and I was ready.

The day I moved out, my folks handed me an envelope. Inside was a couple thousand dollars. “Getting started money” they called it. I knew they couldn’t afford to just hand me that kind of money out of the blue, so I asked where they got it.

My mom smiled and said, “Remember all that rent you’ve been paying…?”

It may not seem like it now, but mothers really do know best.

Rights must be earned. Just about all of your posts that I’ve read sound like they’re written by a very young teenager, with little consideration for others.

First, if you’re pulling in Cs, you’re an AVERAGE student at best. A GOOD student only brings home As and Bs. I might allow a C in PE, art, or music, and still call a student a good student, but everything else should be As and Bs, unless you’re taking AP courses and you’re outclassed. Generally, a student brings home Cs because he’s lazy. Ds and Fs are pretty much inexcusable, unless the student has an unaddressed learning disability.

Did you pay for all of these things directly? Or did Mom buy these things, and you are assuming that your paycheck is making the difference?

In the real world, if you rent, your landlord WILL tell you to keep the place clean if you’re not doing so. Doesn’t matter how old you are. Even if you own your own home free and clear, the Health Department WILL get after you if it’s too messy. If you don’t clean stuff up, you’ll get evicted if you rent, or the city will send in a cleaning crew and stick you with the bill if you own your home.

As for the CDs…aren’t you the guy who bragged about blasting your sound system in your car? Do you do that at home? Has your mom asked you to keep down the noise, and you don’t? IF that’s happened, then she’s justified, in my opinion, in throwing out your CDs, because you’re not respecting HER rights to an enjoyable home. Also, I know that you download stuff off of Kazaa. She’s perfectly justified in pitching out CDs of pirated music. It’s illegal, and you have no right to have illegal stuff in her home. For that matter, you don’t have a right to have illegal stuff in your own home, either. But since it’s HER home, she can face legal penalties for having pirated music in her home. Also, if these CDs are inappropriate for your younger brother to listen to, she has a responsibility to keep them out of his hands. If these CDs are legitimate copies, but are filled with lyrics calling women bitches and hos, or filled with foul language, the two of you need to talk about what’s acceptable in her home.

IF your CDs are legitimate copies of PG or PG-13 material, then no, she shouldn’t be throwing them out. And she shouldn’t be borrowing your VCR without your permission, either…assuming it’s really your VCR, and not the family VCR that you habitually keep in your room.

What sort of stuff is being taken down off of your walls? Is it obscene or extremely objectionable? If you’re hanging porn on your walls, in front of your little brother, then you’re doing wrong.

The sleeping in late/letting brother sleep early/having friends over/curfew all come under the heading of respecting others’ rights. You seem to think that you should be able to do what YOU want, without regarding what others need or want. Have your friends come over late at night and kicked up a lot of noise? Do they make a habit of this? Is it hard to get them to go home (or at least out of the house) before 9 or 10 PM? If life is so hard at your house, why don’t you go visit your friends?

Why should your brother move in with your other brother? You MIGHT be able to convince your mom to let you have the smaller of the two bedrooms for yourself. Maybe. If you are trustworthy in other ways. Same goes for a lock on the door. If you’ve EVER been in legal trouble, or if you’ve EVER done any drugs or drinking, then you don’t get a lock on the door.

As for the computer…did your mother or parents want all that stuff on the computer? For my first real computer, my husband loaded all sorts of utilities in it, and then was amazed that I wasn’t really grateful. I didn’t really want or need all that stuff on my computer, and I had a devil of a time cleaning it out. Did you put all that stuff on the computer for other people, or for you? Let’s be honest here. And again, since you’re using Kazaa, you’ve put spyware on that computer. Kazaa won’t work if you delete the spyware. Why should you have priority? Just because you want it? Let the younger kids do their thing earlier in the evening, and then you get your turn. It might be a real good idea to make out a schedule and write it down so everyone will know that they have x amount of time, and can plan their activities on the computer.

You and your mom need to sit down and talk to each other. Right now, I bet that you’re either yelling at each other or giving each other the silent treatment. You might write up a list of stuff that you want, in order of priority. However, she might have different priorities than you do. You’ll have to negotiate. For instance, you MIGHT get a room of your own, with maybe a locking cabinet, IF you bring your grades up AND you keep that room spotless. She should be agreeable to not pitching your belongings in the trash IF they are kept neatly stowed away, and they’re legitimate recordings that are not X rated. You might ask for exclusive rights to the computer between 9 and 11 PM every night, and your brothers will have to do their computing earlier in the evening, for example. I don’t guarantee that you’ll get everything you want, but having stuff written down makes a big difference.

Couldn’t they at least have put it in an interest bearing account, wasn’t there something in the Bible where God got pissed at a servant who just burried money he was intrusted with in a coffee can in the backyard even though he handed it back in the end?