… and this incompetence somehow, bizarrely, never involves countries like:
France
Senegal
Venezuela
China
Upper Volta
Switzerland
India
Thailand
No, this incompetence only seems to happen with Russians, the Russian Government, and their patsies.
But, surely, it’s all just coincidence.
I’m not completely sure what you’re saying, but it’s incorrect to say in the case of Trump that no one had any normal reason to go to Russia.
Almost certainly true in the case of the first true. Unlikely in the case of Flynn, who while he seems to be something of a shady character in his own right, has genuine senior level foreign policy experience. I don’t know about Clovis.
Regardless of the outcome of the investigation, it will not have been helpful to Trump. Everyone knew this going in, even Trump.
The Trump campaign was, as mentioned earlier, very thinly staffed. GP may have been a relative nobody in the campaign, but it’s not like there were a whole lot of somebodies above him. If a guy like that shows up and says he’s on Trumps Foreign Policy Council and wants to meet with people whose job it is to meet with people in that position, they don’t turn the guy down because of some calculation that the guy is probably a minor player. Especially since the US is a pretty big player on the world stage and smaller countries are eager to establish as much friendly contact as possible.
You only find what you’re looking for.
An intelligent person with a first concern for the smooth and legal functioning of the nation would be eminently concerned with an attempt by a foreign government to screw over the election. He would grab that bull by the horns and dive in with glee to find all the shit that was being pulled and make sure that it never happens again.
That does not describe Trump at all.
I have seen nothing of the Trump organization that would lead me to doubt the idea that they wanted to obtain illegal goods and are lying about it. Have you seen anything to make you doubt it?
Look for it and prove us wrong.
Oh, wait, that would require you to do a bit of work, maybe even three Google searches. Never mind.
Ah, so you posit that this sort of stuff DOES occur with
France
Senegal
Venezuela
China
Upper Volta
Switzerland
India
Thailand
But the evil Democrats have just prevented anyone from looking. Or is it the evil media?
Or are you just a fucking idiot, grasping at straws?
I don’t agree that any “intelligent person with a first concern for the smooth and legal functioning of the nation would be eminently concerned with an attempt by a foreign government to screw over the election” to the point of major investigations, if he thought it didn’t really happen and that investigating it would sabotage his government. But I do agree that Trump is not an “intelligent person with a first concern for the smooth and legal functioning of the nation”.
I don’t know if they did or didn’t. It wouldn’t surprise me if they would want to do this. But the evidence to this point is very weak.
I’m not sure what you mean not by “this sort of stuff”. I was responding to a claim about “incompetence”.
Russia is a very big deal right now so anything connected to Russia is being looked at very closely. Upper Volta is a very small deal so no one is looking into anything connected to it. For some reason you seem to be unaware of this, but it’s true. Don’t take my word on this - read up a bit.
Probably because they changed the name to Burkina Faso in 1984. 
That’s why they changed their name to Burkino Faso. They thought it might make them a bigger deal than they were as Upper Volta. Didn’t work, though. 
Come to think of it, you don’t hear much about Lower Volta either …
Why did Trump announce that he would be releasing the emails?
While a smoking gun is always nice, at some point you have to run the odds on all the weak evidence. If each piece of evidence is only 1 chance in 5 chance of being the worst case, but you have 20 pieces of evidence, then the odds are just as good as a smoking gun.
What are you referring to?
Trump. In the library, with the smoking gun. Wait, Trump in a library? Shit.
ROFL, you’re on fire today.
Looks like we can rest easy now and Mueller can go home. Trump himself has announced the result of his own awesome investigation chops: Putin says he did not meddle in the election.
Good to know, prez, you worthless fuckwit.
Again, if I could just hear one reasonable non-collusion explanation that explains all of the available data, including Trump’s undying allegiance to Putin and no one else, I might consider that there was some possibility that there is no fire behind this smoke.
That is just incredibly fucked up. US president siding with foreign murderous dictator over career civil servants.
I have to remember that assuming for the moment that Trump has skeletons in his closet, he knows the extent of the shitstorm that is bearing down on him. His only play is to try to deligitimize the bringers of that shitstorm in hopes of casting doubt on it with as many people as possible. He will attempt to bring down the country rather than admit defeat.
Worse, a US president siding with a foreign murderous dictator and foreign adversary over career civil servants who have served this country admirably for decades.
Yes, I think that’s exactly what not only Trump but the Trumpists collectively would rather do. Or to be more specific, they want to redefine what America and American values are. From Donald Trump to Roy Moore, there are absolutely no boundaries, no rules for these people. They are literally capable of anything, and that’s the scary part.
It sickens me, the extent to which this traitorous, morally bankrupt dipshit has been allowed to tear apart the most fundamental fabric of our society: Our institutions. To malign the conclusions of all 17 intelligence agencies for the sake of saving his own skin; to gut our State Department, EPA, HUD, DOE; to shamelessly hobble our justice system by appointing baldly unqualified ideologues to lifetime positions, and to do all this with the blessing of his party… words fail me.
I did appreciate this story this morning: Mueller Team Probes Trump’s Knowledge of Campaign’s Russian Dealings - Reuters
I wonder if Trump will continue to claim he’s not “personally” under investigation. :rolleyes:
By the way, I appreciated your Flynn links yesterday. I was troubled by the Gulen story when it was first reported and have been aware of Flynn’s vulnerability re Turkey and Russia for quite some time. Always figured he was toast, based on how much effort Trump exerted to prevent investigation into his dealings – but it is nice to have it confirmed.