A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1)

… during a stock market boom in the roaring 90s when the internet was fun and the President was a good ol’ boy who even his opponents liked (and grew more popular as the proceedings went on, one of the reasons why he won)

vs

… during a trade war and a government shutdown caused by a racist President, one whom nobody likes, who is financially beholden to Vladimir Putin’s buddies, one whose political fortunes have dropped by an average of 1 point per week the past 5 weeks, one whom 62% of independents have already decided to vote against him in 2020.

These things are not like the other, Dacien.

Just sayin’, it could happen, and the right-wing talking heads are going to trot this talking point out, so just a friendly reminder from ol’ Dacien to prep your rebuttals now when the vote is upon us.

I think focusing on reality is a pretty good rebuttal. This man has spit on the very people you are saying is going to defend him. The only reason they would do that to the conclusion you reach is if they are complicit themselves.

Maybe they will vote to convict. They might huddle and decide they can finally be rid of him and look like the heroes doing it.

I don’t know how anyone will look at their friends and family members and neighbours who cheered for this ignorant, petulant, incompetent racist boob the same way ever again, regardless of the future political fortunes of the Republican party. Trump’s leaving won’t suddenly turn his supporters into decent human beings, they’ll still be the kinds of people who support torturing prisoners and murdering their families or kidnapping children and putting them in internment camps long after Trump’s skeleton falls out of the gibbet.

That would be my game plan and, in fact, is what I told Cruz and Cornyn tonight. (Well, their voice mails. :wink: )

Luckily, the vast majority of Americans, even those that voted for Trump, are much more nuanced and complex, and do not support torture, murder, and kidnapping.

I have a hunch that the written answers from Donald and his team do not match the Buzzfeed reporting tonight.

Every Trump supporter supports these things, either explicitly out of racism or xenophobia, or implicitly out of a desire for tax breaks or conservative judges on the Supreme Court or whatever they’re getting in return for voting for a torture loving racist scumbag. The latter sort are no less vile than the former.

Nixon was your guy. (Hey, it’s only been 45 years. :smiley: )

Like Nixon, Trump, too, schemed to defraud an election.

Unlike Nixon, Trump didn’t want to win.

And 45 years before that the Republicans saddled America with Herbert Hoover, another businessman turned President.

For future reference (thanks to Twitter)

18 USC § 1622 subornation of perjury
18 USC § 1512 witness tampering
18 USC § 1505 Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees
18 USC § 371 conspiracy

Assuming this is true, I’m setting aside another bucket of popcorn for the reaction of CFSG’s base. Yes, a great many of them will man the Fake News barricades to the bitter end; on the other hand, second only to a woman scorned is the fury of a True Believer who comes to realize — as some do — that (s)he has been led down the garden path. The belated recriminations and crocodile tears should be a sight to behold.

(Notwithstanding the above, should CFSG resign or be removed from office I expect that my reaction will be what I felt when Nixon departed: not gloating, but the same sense of relief that descends when one stops hitting oneself on the head with a hammer.)

That is wonderful news!

Do we all agree that this is the most historic time in American political history since Watergate if not the Civil War or the founding era? And the most significant period in all of world history since the Berlin Wall came down?

Watergate - Yes
Civil War - No
Berlin Wall - No

This has been your official ranking of historical importances courtesy of friedo awake at a quarter to six in the AM because of a barfing disease.

I wouldn’t say it’s 9/11 big, but it’s certainly generation-defining.

And by the way: that piddly $12k that Cohen/Trump paid to rig the polling was undoubtedly a violation of campaign finance laws. Just another drop in the bucket, of course.

Nice avatar/post combo! Hope you feel better.