A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1)

I don’t even know who that is.

Rudy Giuliani claims Paul Manafort was tortured by the Mueller investigators, and called Mueller investigator Andrew Weissmann a hit man.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/21/rudy-giuliani-torture-jake-tapper-1284279

I didn’t have time to read the report until now. Some things I note:

  1. Zero reference to Columbus Nova. Mueller notes that he was allowed to look into the payments to Cohen because of the Russia angle, but there’s no discussion of the Russia angle - not even a name.

Granted, it seems to be impossible to do a word search on the document, but I don’t see anything.

I would assume that it’s somehow related to the inauguration investigation.

  1. Based on the testimony, a variety of Oligarchs should have been interested in getting into contact with the Trumps after the election, because of impending sanctions. Supposedly, that was Putin’s message to a big meeting of 50+ of them. But somehow, out of that, only Alfa Bank seems to have made the attempt and they did so in duplicate.

  2. Bannon and Prince’s missing texts. :dubious:

  3. Trump tends to stay quiet when he is guilty (e.g. the Trump Foundation). Notably, his instinct was to stay quiet as regards the Veselnitskaya meeting.

That said, he could just have been trying to protect his son - worrying that he was guilty of something. Various testimony - e.g. from Priebus, etc. - seem to bolster the idea that Trump really didn’t know about the meeting until June 2017. (Or forgot entirely about it in all respects.)

On the other hand, it is unclear how the conversation that we are given to understand too place is supposed to jibe with Paul Manafort’s notes. While it seems clear from the notes that they did talk about Bill Browder from start to finish, the conversation is about the RNC (not the DNC). And it’s not a typo, unless somehow Dick Cheney has been a secret agent of the DNC all this time.

I’m curious that Mueller’s team simply wrote, “Yup, the notes seem largely correct.”

I did not see a Dick Cheney mentioned in the conversation.

I’m loath to think that Mueller lied in the report, but one suspects that he’s inserting a false pass to cover a counterintelligence operation.

  1. I’m not too concerned by most of the redactions. I believe that most of them concern people lying - usually Stone.

It seems reasonably clear, despite the redactions, that the Trump campaign did have a connection to Assange and Mueller doesn’t give us much reason to think anything other than that the Trump campaign believed that Assange was getting everything from Russia.

So while Mueller doesn’t accuse the campaign of having any formal agreement with Russia, and he admits as much that he couldn’t prove in court that the Trump people were smart enough to realize the importance of their actions, he seems to make it relatively plain that the campaign was signaling to Russia their desires and hoping that they would respond as asked.

While that may be outside the realm of conspiracy, I don’t read the report as being meant to be read in any other way than that this should be impeachable conduct.

  1. Trump has the impulse control of a 3 year old.

  2. There is not only zero doubt that Mueller is accusing Trump of criminal Obstruction of Justice, Volume 2 is effectively written to tell everyone in Congress that they’re completely derelict in their duty and a blight to the nation in the eyes of the Constitution if they let Trump go.

You cannot read all of Volume 2 and, as a Senator, have any doubt about what your duty is. Not to say that they will do their duty. But they’ll know. They’ll know that the people won’t read past page 1 and that the message contained at the end is for them. Bob Mueller has faithfully told them what the law is, from their own pens right the way into the Constitution. They are being judged and they’ll know shame if they fail that test.

  1. More lawyers than Michael Cohen are going to get disbarred.

Here’s a couple of links to searchable versions of the Mueller report:

https://www.scribd.com/document/406729844/Mueller-Report

Or just download a copy to your own personal .pdf, and then Ctrl+F.

(my bolding)
I don’t necessarily disagree with your post except for the part I’ve bolded. Can we please do away with this particular meme?

Bernie has plans - lots of them. You may not like them or agree with them, but they’re there.
A quick google search elicited these;
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/13/politics/sanders-social-security-plan/index.html

http://dem.social/we-dont-have-the-money-to-pay-for-everything-bernie-wants/
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-how-bernie-sanders-would-pay-for-his-medicare-for-all-program-2017-09-13

Or do your own search.

Sage Rat. I agree with everything but the above.

It’s clear that the Republicans in the Senate don’t give a shit. They will never know or understand shame. We need to get them out of office. After that, I don’t give a shit about them, because they don’t give a shit about me, you or the country.

Here is Larry Hogan’s Wiki page. I’m familiar with him because a close relative works for the State of Maryland.

I would also consider Senators Peters and Murkowski to be moderate Republicans. YMMV.

I’m fascinated by the Chris Christie lunch (Vol. 2, p. 38):

Trump seems extraordinarily dense here.

Are you talking about Gary Peters? He’s a Democrat.

Yep, my bad. I meant to say Senator Collins from Maine.

Can’t prove that by her voting record.

Well, she voted to acquit Bill Clinton, and she said that she didn’t vote for Trump in the 2016 election, so she does have some redeeming qualities. Granted, she has slid to the Right since Trump was elected, but I would still consider her a Moderate, in the Republican sense of the word.

I just watched John Oliver’s piece on the Mueller Report.

Is it accurate to say that not only is ‘collusion’ not a legal term, it was never the purpose of the investigation?

That is correct. A criminal investigation is not going to concentrate on a word that is not a crime.

Susan Collins is no moderate. She flushed those credentials down the crapper long ago. She is bought and paid for by corporations. There’s a story at The Hill Reporter stating that she’s received more money from Breitbart owners than she has from all of Maine in the first quarter. Every time Trump does or says something stupid, she tweets about how concerned she is, then she schedules a photo-op with some girl-scouts or octogenarians somewhere and then promptly votes for Trump’s agenda right down the line.

She hasn’t fooled us Mainers. I’m proud to say I have never cast a vote for that woman.

Collins is a moderate? When does she ever vote moderate?

Didn’t Harry Reid once say Democrats could always rely on Susan Collins to be there when they didn’t need her?

She hasn’t fooled Mainers, yet she was won elections statewide for decades.

Look how much of Maine went for Trump. He got one of our electoral votes. Look up “The County” and prepare yourself for some cow-tipping.

Allow me to qualify - she hasn’t fooled us Mainers who give a shit that she pretends to be moderate.