A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1)

LOL, as pleased as I am to have finally heard from Himself how dissatisfied Mueller is at Barr’s shenanigans with his findings/report, I’m not up to drinking a whole bottle in one night. There will be plenty left over for tomorrow.

I like your description of Mueller. Although I think he is a bit more comfortable in public than Boo Radley.

<also tipping glass toward ThelmaLou> :smiley:

MSNBC also reported tonight that Mueller’s employment with the DOJ will be concluded within “a few days.” Barr has said he would not prohibit Mueller from testifying to Congress. I’ma gonna guess that Nadler and/or Cummings will subpoena Mueller to testify tout suite.

Thought this was a nice article by Lawfare’s Ben Witte summarizing many aspects of the Mueller report.

So what’s the procedure for impeaching an Attorney General?

I find it quite likely that Republican politicians and the Mouth Of Sauron (Fox News) are going to double down, and accuse Mueller of Treason and call for his arrest and execution.

I’ve waited so long to read you say that.

Additionally, what’s the procedure for getting an attorney disbarred in DC?

This “Rachel” of whom you speak…?

Btw, it’s my guess that the reference to misleading media reports made by Mueller refers to Fox News, Glenn Greenwald, Limbaugh, etc.

Rachel Maddow.

<suspicious look>You knew that, right?</sl>

Thanks. :slight_smile: It does feel as if a wee moment worthy of celebration finally arrived.

Chuck Rosenberg, former US Attorney and Chief of Staff to Mueller, explained. He said there is a term used at DOJ for what Mueller did when he wrote his letter. The term is, ‘going to paper.’ When you ‘go to paper,’ you’re not writing to the person who is the recipient of your letter. You’re writing to create an historical context for the world at large.

I believe when Mueller wrote his letter, he was making it clear he intended to fight for his investigation, its integrity and its rightful place in history. I think it’s a significant turning point.

Barr’s partisanship is so baldly obvious, he is going to have to answer for it sooner or later. Probably won’t be by impeachment/removal, however. The process is identical for impeaching/removing an AG as it is for impeaching/removing a president.

I hope the demands for Barr’s resignation grow louder and louder. He is a dishonest broker who has made a mockery of his office.

Nothing will happen as a result of this. Nothing will ever happen if it has to go through the GOP.

Absolutely true. The GOP is now fully in bed with a traitorous bunch who have worked with a hostile foreign power to win an election. They’re all-in at this point.

I agree with your second sentence, but not your first. Things are happening. People are getting pretty fed up and angry. Let’s hope it’s enough.

You’re certainly correct that the GOP will do nothing – except continue to hope for and do all they can to facilitate another illegitimate election in 2020.

Thank you. For the life of me, I haven’t been able to work out what Barr’s long game was. Now it looks self-evident; he wanted oversight of the multitude of other federal investigations of the squatter-in-chief in order to quash them. It’s not out of loyalty to iDJiT (he probably considers him an incompetent buffoon) but in the service of the principle of the unitary executive.

If Congress started to charge members of the Executive branch for perjury, every time that they committed perjury, I don’t know that our government would be able to continue functioning. I don’t mean that as a joke. If you watch a few hearings (particularly in the House), it seems pretty clear that a lot of people ask for stuff that they really shouldn’t have. Like, technically, yeah as part of their oversight role they should have access to everything, but if someone is asking for information about his political enemies or about an investigation into himself or his friends, you sort of don’t want to give that to him. Or, likewise, if you’re trying to arrange plans to counter-hack Russia, you don’t really want to talk about it with Dana Rohrabacher sitting in session - behind closed doors or not.

The Constitutional role of Congress, the laws of Congressional oversight, and the rules of Congress all aside, there’s some practical reality that forces most of the people in the Executive branch to lie to Congress as a regular matter, even in the best of times, just because Congress has some hardcore idiots in it. If they had to tell the truth, it would likely be damaging to the country in most circumstances.

Conceptually, I’d say that’s one of the more reasonable and unimpeachable proposals that I’ve seen as regards Barr.

I just hesitate because I’m not sure who everything falls to in this case. In theory, it would be Jeff Rosen - and I have to doubt that Trump hasn’t learned his lesson that when it comes to the DOJ he needs to do more than just take a name handed to him by Don McGahn or whoever else and rubber stamp it so long as the person looks the role - so while I know very little about Rosen, I’m trepidatious of the unknown.

But, it seems plausible that Rosen would be forced to recuse as well and then…well who knows where that ball lands.

Well, I’m sure all this will put at ease any individual who had previously expressed in this thread the view that Mueller would speak up if he felt that the report was being misrepresented by Barr.

I can always tell when something juicy has come out when I wake up to see talking fatheads like Newt Gingrich using the Fox News butthorn to whine long and loud— not about substance or accuracy, but that [new revelation] is a politically motivated hit job by [Democrats and/or the fact-based media] for the sole purpose of embarrassing [Trump and/or one of his amoral bootlicking suck-ups].

Even given that nothing will escape but hot air (or a fouler gas), I hope Barr gets the pincushion treatment he so desperately deserves.

It’s because, like me, you tend toward the optimistic view that they have, at last, reached bottom. The Pubs have no bottom. Truly, they are…assless chaps.

At one place I worked, we called this “Memorandum for Record.”

In thump’s case, the depth of his understanding of qualifications is limited to “no facial hair.”