Even Richard Nixon has got it…soul.
Darren Samuelsohn, Politico, is a good person to follow for Roger Stone trial updates. Bannon is currently on the stand.
Can you imagine that scene. One loathsome douchebag railroading the other loathsome douchebag. It’s like a mob trial with informants trying to out-ratfuck each other.
Why am I so triggered? Well…
No conspiracy theories, eh? For your perusal:
I am “triggered” by the fact that in our desperate search for order and meaning to the universe, we’ve decided to throw what is undoubtedly a rigidly principled man under the bus in our search for blame. Now, do I believe that randos on a message board are in a better position than experienced prosecutor Robert Mueller in determining, based on the evidence that only Robert Mueller fully knows, whether getting a liar in a room to lie for a while would be worth the four years of court action to drag him into the room? Fuck no! You dipshits are, at best, armchair lawyering, while not being laywers. You very obviously have no goddamn clue what you’re talking about, and are merely venting your angry spleens in the direction of anybody you can point a shaking finger at.
I’m glad I’m not a public figure; I can only get unjustly slandered by a handful of people at a time.
Well said.
I’m dismayed by watching formerly sensible posters fly off the deep end.
It is reasonable to ask if a public servant’s work product is as useful or complete as it could have been.
Attempts to characterize these reasonable questions as being “off the deep end” or “armchair lawyering” (and worse, but I won’t collect more at the moment) are puzzling. Why is expressing disappointment over features of Mueller’s work and choices, somehow an occasion for name-calling and hyperbolic descriptions? Is Mueller a figure of religious veneration?
If he’s not–if he is a human being–then why is it bad and wrong to examine his choices? Is the assertion here that some people may not be questioned? That, in this, they differ from mortals?
Sure. It’s not reasonable to ascribe conspiracy theory woo as the reason for that work not being as useful as it could be, however.
You mean, aside from the overt slandering?
I see it as conflating fiction and reality (and then using that to slander). The fiction is when they use their imaginations to decide what would have happened if Mueller had acted differently. This second guessing naturally leaps to wild improbabilities with no consideration for their likelihood, because they’re not starting from the alternate behavior and working forward to conclusions, they’re starting from a desired fantasy outcome and probing backwards for possible ways it might have occurred. Little things like “facts” and “reality” are barely speed bumps in this approach - even when the resulting argument is “Trump is flagrantly ignoring subpoenas! If only Mueller had subpoena’d him it wouldn’t have come to this!” Most certainly the notion that Mueller might have had good reasons for his action that they are unaware of is never considered. And so these elaborate fictional alternate universes are constructed. And then the slandering begins.
Seriously, if you’re going to question somebody’s actions, these questions should spring from a factual basis. Not a fantasy one. And then, only when the facts actually support it, should the slandering begin.
If Mueller was a football player they’d call him Butterfingers.
Mueller is a 75 year old man. If he was a football player they’d call him Porcelain.
Seriously people, use facts when constructing your elaborate fantasies!
He got cowed by a bully patriarchy, and his own internalized version of it? That is not elaborate, nor a fantasy.
Only one poster said Mueller was dirty. But more have just said that he dropped the ball on democracy, by our lights, and it would be fair to say so out loud, in the aim of getting to justice.
So go for it. Lay out how it would go if rm demanded an interview. Would dt fire him? Would it go to the scotus? If people are retarded for having a divergent view from yourself, on a matter of historical speculation, then don’t you need to lay it out? You are the one who knows (“excitedly”, in fact) not us.
It’s disgust and fatigue. We are sick and tired of the Trump Shit Show and the GOP Toady Shit Show. It never ends, and it keeps getting worse. We’ve had enough. Where in the blue fucking hell does it end??
I abso-fucking-lutely understand! And thank you for that totally honest answer. I believe you. I am disgusted and worn out. I’ve had enough… but there’s more to come. 
I don’t know where it ends, but I know we can’t let them make us lose our shit, too.
Latest from Stone trial (via Darren Samuelsohn, Politico):
Bradley P. Moss Tweets about Rick Gates’ testimony from Roger Stone’s trial today.
I’m pretty sure that banana Republicans will say that perjury isn’t an impeachable offense.
Never, in the history of the Republican party, have they ever had an issue with the president lying under oath.
On a completely unrelated note, here’s Sen. McConnell’s closed-door impeachment statement.
People should not dis Mueller IMHO.
Those are pretty good credentials. Few could match them.
Ya know, sometimes ya just have had enough shit.
Go ahead and lose our shit, I say. The fact that people are losing their shit doesn’t mean people have thrown their hands up in the air and checked out of democracy; it’s just the opposite. It’s exasperation. It’s…rage.
And rage is what this country was founded on.
By “losing our shit” I mean becoming irrational, out of control, destructive of those on the same side, and attacking each other, for example, accusing Mueller of being in a conspiracy to protect DJT because he didn’t say the right words.
Expressing rage and disgust, yes–that is called for. Definitely. But not against those working and hoping for the same outcome, namely the removal of the Former President from office. Let’s not devour each other in our rage.
I wonder if what is needed is mass demonstrations, a la the civil rights movement and anti-Vietnam war protests. I read a headline somewhere today (can’t remember where) asking why the mainstream media aren’t calling for the Former President’s resignation. Is everyone still being too polite? Are we still expecting the other side to play fair, all evidence to the contrary?