Abortion Issue got me sleeping on the Couch

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A harmless comment to my girlfriend avalanched into an all out argument tonight. I stated that in my utopian society I would like to see abortion disapear to be replaced by fantastic support agencies for a pregnant woman (such as adoption, etc) The following argument has led me to the conclusion on the subject.

Women just want to fuck like a man.

Ok, sure, that’s cool, but that is asking to have your cake and fucking eat it too.

Women are the gatekeepers of sex. They learn this at a young age and realize its awesome potential. With great power comes great responsibility.

Hmn, in a society where half your population cannot do something the other half can is there freedom?

So shut the fuck up about “Reproduction Freedom.” It’s a reproductive PRIVALEDGE. I can’t have a baby, the closest I can get is to swallow a marble. Men don’t turn this into a power struggle, women do. Wherever a fetus swims in a uterus a man and woman got together and did the horizontal mambo. Republicans aren’t beating your door down and impregnating you with a turkey baster. Don’t frame this argument saying “Don’t tell a woman what to do!” Must I educate a woman how a baby is formed? The conception part doesn’t happen without a preceding choice… (don’t you DARE bring up rape/incest issues. Any human being understands there is no such thing as a black a white issue. Certain circumstances call for differntiating procedure.)

Oh, yeah, it’s a real life changing event. Hey guess what? Every time I have sex with a woman I face the potental of getting a life altering disease. I can take as many precautions as I like but if i’m fucking, I might get unlucky. Beleive me, that’ll change my life. Abortion gives you all the benefits of fucking like a man with no drawbacks. Don’t talk to me about fairness, that is bullshit.

So you want to have the sexual power over men? You want the beautiful gift of carying a child inside you? WELL THEY COME WITH A PRICE! Don’t give me that “I didn’t choose to be a woman” bullshit. Dress conservativly if you don’t want men looking at your tits. Admit it, you like feeling sexy (just like a man).

<sigh> I’m really not this conservative. My undies get in a bundle every time a neo-con or Transformers bad guy tells me what to do. I’ve participated in pro-choice rallies and vote accordingly. But don’t make me sleep on the fucking couch for not tolerating poor arguments.

Or I really am an asshole…

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Yup.

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I wouldn’t say that you are an asshole, but primarily because I do not understand your post at all.

What exactly did you say that got you into trouble?

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Oh shit, you figured it all out. Women are controlling the world through abortion. The plan is simple; we make you get us pregnant and simply hold the fetus for ransom. Give us the money (or whatever else we want), or the fetus gets it. You stumbled onto our secret plot.

The reason your girlfriend made you sleep on the couch, is that you knew too much… you’re falling down the rabbit hole. Of course we know the only way men will have sexual power is if abortion is banned. Why do you think so many of us care? In fact, we have brainwashed several men (sexually, no doubt) into believing our doctrine. We have the eggs, we have the power!

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Near as I can puzzle out he thinks women are into abortion because they want to fuck like a man, and all their arguments about women’s rights are about not wanting to take responsibility for their choices.

I can see why he’s on the couch if he can’t frame an argument better then that. There’s many reasons to be against abortion they do not include ‘fuck like a man’ or ‘responsibility for sex’

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I think he’s on the couch because she agrees with him, and now doesn’t consider sleeping with him worth the risk of having to go through a 9 month pregnancy, especially since she’s been there and he wasn’t all that.

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Arwin that was evil. I like it.

Schwa: (Did you take your name from the book?)

Yes… women and men having equality in terms of sexuality, what bullshit. While we’re at it, we shouldn’t let 'em use the pill either. Dumb femmes just want to have consequence free sex, and we know that’s only for men. But, I wouldn’t even say there’re no drawbacks. If we remove pregnancy from the equation, we’re still left with disease. And abortions can’t cure AIDS.

Megatron giving you problems again?

Yes… the price being that when you want that ‘beautiful gift’, you can choose to get knocked up. When ya don’t, you can take b.c. and if that fails, get an abortion. And yes, of course b.c. and abortions have their own costs attatched, but that’s all part of reproductive freedom.

What does this have to do with abortion? Or is it just that your gf wears low cut blouses and is annoyed to have guys check her out?

Perhaps, in the end (and the beginning too), women do want to ‘fuck like men’, if by that you mean that they don’t want to be burdened with carrying a pregnancy to term and/or be forced to care for a child when all they wanted was some good old fashioned hot sweaty monkey lovin’.

That’s the whole point of reproductive freedom (the factor of choice, not the monkey lovin’).

And, if you’re one of the folks who believes that a clump of congregated cells without brain waives is not a human being, then there’s really no problem with not wanting to endure several more months of lugging around a fetus, of morning sickness, or getting stretch marks…

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You are, of course, free to continue espousing your foetus-is-a-person nonsense, but I suspect your girlfriend’s utopia mightn’t have you in it for much longer.

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Sentient: I don’t think that schwa was coming from a “pro life” position, just anti-choice. If that makes any sense, at all.

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You’re sleeping on the couch because she’s not tolerating poor arguments.

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Oh, I see, he’s upset that women want to be able to have sex without having a baby, and that women are choosier than men regarding who they have sex with.

Then I’ll say that he might soon discover just how choosy women can be.

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I’m thinking she’s subscribing to your theory on this, by kicking you to the couch and thus preventing same said mambo.

So… you’re saying women can’t get STDs? :stuck_out_tongue:

Oh, and men look at women’s tits even if they are covered up. I’m agreeing with the opinion that she sent you to the couch because your argument made little sense.

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I think you’re right, and if GF has any brains, she might want to show more fastidiousness than just the couch.

IF the OP were my BF–he would be my EX-BF, as from that lil talk…

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Really? If so, great. Took humanity a long time to get back to that point.

Not anymore, if your hypothesis holds true.

You want to be able to become pregnant?

You didn’t ask for not being able to have a baby, and women didn’t ask for being able to have them. If I were a woman I’d be pissed that I’d walk around with the risk (however controllable) of becoming pregnant every time I had sex.

Women don’t? Actually, most sexually transmitted diseases spread more easily from male to female than the other way around.

What exactly are these drawbacks that you feel you have? Not being as susceptible to sexually transmitted diseases as a woman? Yeah, that must be hard on you.

They didn’t ask for it. I’m willing to bet that most women would give it a miss if it would, for example, lower their risks of being raped to a male level.

They didn’t ask for that either.

That’s bullshit? They chose to be women?

Whoa. Such incoherency.

Of course they do.

It certainly sounds like it. As far as I can make out, you’re bitter that women have, generally speaking, better control over their sexual urges than men and are, generally speaking, choosier than men about their sexual partners. Well, that’s a fact that all of us girl-loving men have to live with. If it bothers you that much, masturbate or go gay. If you look decent you could have all the sex you wanted; fresh meat is worth its weight in gold. Wish I were kidding.

That said, forcing you to sleep on the couch is simply uncool.

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Schwa, hope you’ve got asbestos unders.

This rant struck me as mildly Carlin-esque. The overall tone was similar, and it had the right amount of simplification. I’ll give it a 7, mainly because of this line.

:smiley:

Mandatory disclaimer: I do not agree with anything said in the op. I just figured that this guy is going to get enough hits on this. I don’t need to add any.

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<nitpick> Women aren’t fertile 30 days a month</nitpick>

Just curious, but why do you say that? Isn’t it fairly standard operating procedure that after a big ol’ fight someone’s sleeping on the couch, and if they’re lucky they’ll get a family pet to curl up with?

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You should invite your girlfriend to the SDMB. It sounds like she’s exactly what we like - namely, she appreciates good argument and is willing to dole out punishments for bad argument.

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I think you had better get used to the couch.

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No, but they don’t know precisely when they are fertile, and may be fertile more than once per cycle.

It may be standard operating procedure, but it’s still dumb, for several reasons. It’s emotional blackmailing, which leads to resentment and scars that fester. I’ve always stuck to the rule that you never go to sleep mad at each other. If anyone were to tell me to sleep on the couch, I’d be out that door and only come back to get my things. Same with the kind of sexual blackmailing women sometimes do: “If you’re going to be like that, no sex for you!” If you don’t want to have sex, fine, but if you use it as a weapon, do that to someone else.

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Hrm… I was under the impression that basal body temperature readings were a very reliable indicator. Also, I thought that sperm can only survive for about three days in a woman’s reproductive tract, and that the window for conception was somewhat limited. Do you have a cite to clear up any ignorance I might have on this subject?