Abused kid goes on adventure in Faerie, wants to stay. Should she be allowed to?

If you don’t like fantasy hypotheticals with longish storytelling OPs, I have no idea why you opened this thread.

Due to a set of circumstances I see no reason to go into, you find yourself translated into the world of Pangaea, which is peopled by elves, fauns, kappa, and other such mythical creatures, but no humans (unless you count the shapeshifters). Unlike, say, Narnia, Pangaea is not stuck in the Middle Ages; in most ways even their non-magical technology is more advanced than ours. Ths world was created by a pantheon of gods led by Pallas, whose representatives in the natural world are the Prophets. Chosen from the mortal population, Prophets are charged with defending against natural disasters and supernatural threats but must otherwise respect the Pangaeans’ free will; they are forbidden to accept worship or encourage the worship of the gods. There’s only one Prophet at a time; the current one, incidentally, looks like this.

You’re not the only human visiting Pangaea. There’s also a 10-year-old kid named Emma; she’s from the same city and time as you, but you’ve never met her before, and she was not with you when you were plucked from Earth. You two get caught up in an epic quest to save the world–both worlds, in fact–and while the Prophet does the heavy lifting, both you and Emma are pivotal to the good guys’ victory. Said adventure lasts about a month. Afterwards the Prophet approaches you for a private conference. First she thanks you for your assistance; next she asks you for detailed information on when you were taken from Earth, so she can return you to the right date and location; and finally she says she needs your advice.

“Here’s the thing,” the Prophet begins. "Our doctors were healing the wounds Emma suffered on the quest–oh, and incidentally, you may want to let them examine you, and if you have diabetes or cancer or any other little problem like that, we’ll cure you before you go home tomorrow. Anyway, they discovered that Emma has a ton of old injuries indicating long-term physical abuse. When I asked her about them, she broke down crying and told me that, for the past five years, her mother has used her as a punching bag. Just to be safe I put her under a spell of truthfulness, and I discovered that she was understating the case; trust me when I say you don’t want the details about what her mother’s boyfriends have done. I’m tempted to jump worlds, track down the fuckers, and crush their skulls, but unfortunately that is against the rules.

“Anyway, Emma does not want to go home. It’s not simply because of the abuse; it’s because the elf-maid who accompanied you two on the quest, Aredhel, wants to adopt her, and Emma wants to be adopted. Emma is the spitting image of Aredhel’s own daughter, who died tragically a hundred years back. The two of them felt like family, in the best sense, from the moment they met. Aredhel sees the hand of the Fates in their meeting; I myself suspect the Fates are fucking with them both, but I’d have to check with Pallas to be sure and She is not available at this time. Back to the point: I’m ambivalent about allowing Emma to stay here. I don’t know much about Earth in your century–you’re from 2014 CE, correct?–so I can’t judge whether she’s likely to get the help she needs in your city and year. Once I send you home I am going to try once again to seal the portals between the worlds, per God’s policy on the issue; if I’m successful, Emma will never be able to return even if she changes her mind. Can you give me your thoughts on the issue?”

How do you answer the Prophet?

That is one hot looking prophet. I’ll do anything she says. What was the question again? Oh yeah, the kid, she can stay.

No brainer. The kid gets to go from a massively abusive relationship to a loving one? With unicorns? If I wasn’t happily married I’d ask the Prophet if I could stay.

I’d have some questions about Aredhel’s suitability as a guardian, and about what kind of culture shock Emma might feel. My biggest worry is that she’s consigning herself to a life of loneliness in terms of having another human around. If the species in Pangaea aren’t interested in rishathra, she’s also condemned to live without sex…not relevant for a 10-year old, but perhaps unfulling for a 20-year old.

So another question I’d have is: could Emma grow up adopted by Aredhel and then get returned to Earth as an adult, maybe with a bag of gold to smooth the way?

In the USA of 2014 CE the family courts are dedicated to the proposition that parents have a constitutional right to f**** up their kids as much as they want to, and will viciously attack and punish anyone who tries to prevent them from doing so. Let the kid stay. If something horrible should result, at least Ill know that you are going to be checking up on her and fixing whatever problems might occur.

Right?!?

ETA: Finally you get around to including some tiramisu. Yummy!

Can’t even imagine why it would be a question. Of course I’d give my blessing. While it’s not really my decision to make, I can think of no reason why she should return to Earth, where, no, chances are she won’t be helped very well. Chances are she’ll be returned to get mother to use as a punching bag, or end up further abused and/or molested in foster care. Not to mention drugged to the gills and/or told she’s delusional or lying when she cries herself to sleep talking about unicorns.

Really, I have only one question: can I stay, too?

I would never send her back! I would not even want to go back. I would ask for a full time gig and settle roots down in the fairy land.

As an officer of several of those courts, with nearly 20 years experience practicing family law and current certification to serve as Guardian ad Litem, I call bullshit. At least in my part of the world, the judges are very serious about protecting children from abuse. I’m on a short list of lawyers that get appointed in some of the nastiest cases imaginable. My judges will act as needed. I’ve had them meet me in a county halfway between wherever they were in session that day and wherever I had to file something, on their lunch hour, to hear an emergency petition. I have several of their personal cell numbers in my contacts list, to the point that if I have a serious emergency, I know I will get heard.

Back to the OP, accepting the facts as given, grounds for termination of parental rights clearly exist against the mother. Nothing is said about the father, but there is a statute that provides that if the father of a child born out of wedlock does not come forward within 30 days after birth and fully commit to the responsibilities of parenthood, he loses the right to object to an adoption. Said statute is rarely strictly applied, but it is on the books, and would justify my decision in this case. I’d recommend TPR against both natural parents and adoption as requested. So mote it be.

If Emma has the wherewithal to save the world, she’s earned the right to claim her own spot in it.

I’m staying, too, by the by. My current cable provider is the worst.

I admire what you do, very much, but I would likely kill myself if I had to do it.

As to the OP - let her stay, of course.

Regards,
Shodan

Given her life to date, Emma may not see that as a minus.

The Prophet can’t promise that will be possible.

Bricker clearly has some concerns, and I would too. Here’s a couple:

[ul]
[li]Emma is the spitting image of Aredhel’s dead daughter, who presumably was about 12 years old (physiologically) when she died. Is it really Emma Aredhel loves, or her daughter’s ghost? Is Aredhel going to try (consciously or unconsciously) to reshape Emma’s personality in her daughter’s image? What happens when that doesn’t work?[/li]
[li]Aredhel is an elf-lass. Assuming that Pangaean elves are like Tolkien’s, that means she and her people are ageless from a human POV, and immortal unless slain. Mightn’t Emma have a hard time adjusting in a society where she’s a mayfly? Admittedly as an adult she might go to live with a shorter-lived species, even if hobbits are an option.[/li][/ul]

Well, that’s why the Prophet’s asking your advice: she doesn’t know enough about Earth to guess what sort of help Emma will get. And she may not understand humans well enough to give Emma good advice.

Speaking as OP rather than poster:

The Prophet will reply that she can’t promise that. Pangaea has a population in the billions, with two hundred or so independent nations and Pallas only knows how many malevolent sorcerers and so forth. Not to mention that there’s kaiju to wrangle. The Prophet can’t promise to look after even one Pangaean kid–and Emma may be better off if, oh, Ares doesn’t think that he could get at the Prophet through attacking the little girl.

Does this mean you’ll tell the Prophet you’ll look into Emma’s problems (note: I don’t mean adopt her) yourself?

My opinion would be that the scenario is so evenly weighted against itself, I functionally could make either decision. Since there’s no way to compare the end result of one against the other, the prophet, together with Aredhel and Emma need to decide what fallout they would consider acceptable.

Do Pangaeans practice rishathra? Are humans cross-fertile with any Pangaean species?

Hang in, let me look in my donation bucket of fucks…nope, I don’t have a fuck to give.

I’ve seen what happens to kids in the foster system, despite the good efforts of good people like Oakminster. (And Oak is assuming that a kid missing for months and now returned talking about unicorns is going to be able to find an advocate to even believe her that she’s being abused, much less prove it.) My own stepbrother was one of them, and it didn’t end well, for him or for me, once he got returned to his mom. So I know what her chances of misery here are. Abuse, drug abuse, teen pregnancy, crime, dropping out of school; pretty damn high, even if she does get put into foster care. Her chances of misery there are hypothetical, and will follow at least some period of happiness.

In every single fantasy of this sort (human children visit fantasy realm) I have ever read, when you get to the end of the story, the child is told that, even though they might want to stay, they have to go back to the real world and live their life for real. Sometimes the point is made that the experience they have gained through the adventure will allow them to put right what is wrong in the real world. Sometimes the denizens of Faerie will even come with them for a brief time to help do so.

Kinda sucks, though.

She’ll be consigned to a lifetime without sexual contact, romance, love, and offspring.

That’s not hypothetical. And it’s pretty severe.

Speaking as poster rather than OP:
I doubt the Prophet understands human society well enough to make an informed decision; hence the request for help. Clearly she doesn’t quite get why no one from Emma’s city has given her abusers guillotine-based therapy.

(And honestly I have trouble understanding that myself. There was a recent case here in Memphis in which a guy put his infant daughter in a clothes dryer in order to punish her mother, resulting in several broken bones. That’s the least horrible example that leaps out at me. He was sentenced to 13 years in prison, seems a waste as bullets are cheap.)

Hmm.

Speaking as OP not poster, I’m going to say that Pangaens in general have no issue with cross-species mating, though of course there will be individuals and even communities who disagree. Given the identity of the OP, it’s safe to assume that Pangaean elves are basically Eldar, so once Emma reaches adulthood, she can mate with and even marry an elf-man or elf-maid, depending on how she swings; and that the various shape-shifter species are indistinguishable from humans in their hominid forms (except for the one obvious difference) so she could mate with or marry such.

I understand your sexuality issue. And I’m that Tolkien fan who thinks that Elrond was right; elf-human mating is a bad idea.

I won’t speak for Oak. But I voted as I did (not making my decision until reading some responses) because if I were the person in the OP, I’d damn well have to help Emma just so I could sleep at night, and I have contacts enough in Shelby County Juvenile Court and Sheriff’s Department to know who go go to. Also (back to being the OP) the Prophet is going to return the humans to the same date they were taken from; plus or minus a few minutes. Probably minus.

Meh, not everyone cares about breeding.

Now, bearing in mind that this isn’t exactly a trip to the Uttermost West she’s signing up for, for me, there’s only one sentence in the OP that matters to *my *decision: “Anyway, Emma does not want to go home.” That’s all I needed to hear (although I’d confirm it by speaking to Emma).

Who cares if she’s possibly only a substitute for a dead kid? She’ll be loved and not abused.
Who cares if she’s possibly a mayfly? That just means she’ll be loved her whole life.
Granted, this is a dangerous world - but she’s already survived in it, so it can’t be worse for her than ours.

The only downside is that if she stays, she can’t testify in a trial of her mother and her boyfriends, and I’m not crushing any skulls on her behalf, so I’d have to find some other way of enacting vigilante justice on them, which is an effort…maybe the Prophet can come up with something nonviolent but creative.

If Oglaf has taught me anything, it’s that mating with shapeshifters can be a *spectacularly *bad idea ! :smiley: NSFW link: [spoiler]http://oglaf.com/freshhorses/[/spoiler]

Cite? :wink: She wants to stay because of love. Maternal, perhaps, but that’s a valid kind of love. Procreation may not happen, but it may not happen here, either, so that one’s a wash for me. Plenty of people are happy without offspring- more than are happy with offspring, if anonymous surveys areto be believed. Romance and sex can happen without procreation. Even interspecies, if one isn’t too squicked out and the partners are sentient.