Heck, *I *disagree. Who, exactly, will be casting the fake votes?
In an environment where an organization learns with confidence how they can submit phony registrations? Well, it doesn’t take Hank Scorpio to plan this one: collect a few of the same people willing to falsify registrations and send them around to precincts. “Go in here and vote; tell them you’re Edward Booyah. Then get back int he van and we’ll drive you over to Eastern High; tell them you’re Samuel Withers. Then we’ll head over to…”
Jeebus, Bricker, what part of “They legally have to submit all registrations received, but they flag up all suspicious ones when they submit them” are you not grasping?
Or are you suggesting that ACORN actively asked its workers to falsify registrations? Because if so, have you got anything besides persistent insinuation to go with it? Hell, there’s better evidence of Diebold fixing the 2004 presidental vote in Ohio than there is of ACORN attempting anything fraudulent.
Why would Hank Scorpio need an organization like ACORN to do that? That’s the sort of thing that could be done right now, by anyone.
And why would he use an organization, such as ACORN, which actively reports those entries as “probably fake”?
Your scenario isn’t possible. All of those registrations still have to be verified by the state before anybody can vote with them. ACORN is not involved with verification.
Even the suggestion that ACORN would or could be involved in such a complex, many tentacled conspiracy is highly farfetched and silly, especially for a scheme which would still have no chance to actually affect an election.
And thereby affect the vote totals by as much as three votes. How big a conspiracy would it take to affect the total by one thousand? A conspiracy that goes off without a hitch, and isn’t ratted out? A rat-out that has at least an even chance of bringing the rat beacoup ching-ching? And thats only going to work if the actual vote is close enough for it to be effective, how the hell are they going to know that in advance?
You think ACORN is rich and powerful? No, they are idealistic liberal lefties with second-hand cars and cheap suits. The damned fools ain’t in it for the money. Plus, as you know, they have legal sharks circling trying to charge them with jaywalking with a voter registration form in their pocket, how far do you think an actual conspiracy would get, given the conditions under which they operate?
Do you actually believe this line of drivel, or do you simply imagine we are so stupid that we will?
I’m not sure what this means. ACORN obviously has a huge publicity problem right now. You seem to be saying that the facts don’t support this kind of response. I disagree, but regardless fo which of us is right, it’s beyond cavil that the publicity problem exists. ACORN has to do something to manage its response, and in my opinion, taking your approach of denying that a real problem exists and doing nothing at all except for repeating the denial will not be a productive response.
OK, then. ACORN has no problems at all. I’m sure they’ll get along just fine.
Bricker has started threads against ACORN and piled on every time he could. He is always guilty of trying to make a fire when there is no kindling. ACORN is an organization that employed poor people . It gave them a little help with a job. They did Americas work ,by registering voters. They have done a very good job if the right wing bitching is any indication. There is so much manufactured outrage by the Bricker types, that they are too bigoted against them to realize how far off they are. Trying to claim that a couple people turning in phony registrations(that never voted) is some kind of huge problem, is a joke. The right is embarrassing themselves, but the blinders keep them from seeing it. ACORN is not a problem. It never has been.
Oh, they do indeed have problems. One of those problems is people like you, who offer utterly crapulous conspiracy theories with a straight face. Here’s a hint: if you have to pull shit like that to support your cause, you got the wrong cause.
Bricker, please join me.
And yet you, and others firmly on the right wing crazy side, firmly believe that your approach of just making shit up and repeating it ad infinitum is a productive thing to do.
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So, without asking people how they will vote, what would be the easiest way to get large numbers of potential democrats registered? By signing up the urban poor in the inner city. Just curious…do you think the republicans don’t want minorities to be registered to vote because they are racists? What about all the conservative minorities that would be left out due to this Republican mindset. Don’t you think the Republicans would try to get every conservative registered regardless of race?
I don’t claim that they do. If you want to register potential voters of a particular party you don’t have to be very bright to know where to find them.
ACORN is an umbrella organization. It has political arms and, presumably, non-partisan arms. The problem appears to be that there are no firewalls between these entities. The real scandal may be money that was moved between different arms of the organization.
(Emphasis mine)
Once again, no specific allegations, just “this *could *happen”. Do you see why was have a problem with this?
“OK, turns out there isn’t much of a scandal here. But there may be one over there! Really, we just don’t know with a scandal-ridden entity like this…”
I think the point here is that the political predilection of the people that ACORN registers is irrelevant to the situation. There are no laws saying that you cannot register large numbers of a particular party. There is no point of ethics that demands a parity in party registration.
If conservatives don’t like ACORN signing up so many potential Democrats, they’re welcome to set up their tables at the local Wal-Mart or at the local Gas ‘n’ Go. And, believe it or not, I seriously doubt that ACORN or the Democratic Party would try to smear them for it. After all, we’re not the party that thrives through voter suppression.
What I want to know is why ACORN aren’t addressing the story that one of their former employees raped and murdered a young girl in 1990. I can’t remember the employee’s name - Glenn something - but if true it is a genuine outrage.
No, you are wrong. These are not just ideas or random speculation. The finance committee is actively looking into whether federal money for the tax-exempt arms is being used by the political arms of ACORN. Here is a recent report produced by the finance committe tax staff that may be starting to untangle the web:
I think you have missed the point. The point I was making is that either party will go after any organization that MAY be corrupt and IS benefitting the opposing party. This is common sense. The Republicans are not trying to dismantle ACORN because they register Dems. But, they WILL jump on the organization at the first sign of any wrongdoing.
What web?