adaher, you cowardly shit

[GIGObuster]

@Morgenstern

It’s hard to believe much of anything here. But there’s plenty of press about it…
I can’t fault those who choose to error on the side of caution in this.
ISIS fighters infiltrating Syrian refugees, UK is warned
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/isis-fighters-infiltrating-syrian-refugees-uk-is-warned/article/2572051

The Syrian operative claimed more than 4,000 covert ISIS gunmen had been smuggled into western nations – hidden amongst innocent refugees.
Islamic State reveals it has smuggled THOUSANDS of extremists into Europe | World | News | Express.co.uk

Officials warn 20,000 ISIS jihadis ‘have infiltrated Syrian refugee camps’
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/officials-warn-20000-isis-jihadis-6443516

*‘Just wait’: ISIS agent bares thousands of terrorists smuggled into Europe together with… *
'Just wait': ISIS agent bares thousands of terrorists smuggled into Europe together with refugees and now ready to strike

Plenty of tabloid press, and they are repeating each other.

[Morgenstern]

@running_coach

None of those stories are about assassination squads or killings in the refugee camps.

And there’s no proof the numbers of hidden ISIS fighters is accurate or anything more than a tactic to cause fear. A good one, too. Because it’s working.

Proof is going to be pretty hard to get until something happens.

[GIGObuster]

@Morgenstern

Proof is going to be pretty hard to get until something happens.

I always thought it was odd that when 500,000 refugees came from Central America, I would had expected that many had very good reasons to dislike what the USA was doing when they supported the military rulers that killed indiscriminately. And I feared that someday they would act on their hatreds.

Nah, many Salvadorians did die in 9/11, and many did risk their lives in Iraq supporting the USA. We think it is better to try to educate nattering nabobs like you instead of resorting to violence to protest the injustice of the past. We see now the former enemies as friends that eventually learned that supporting coups and military killers was not the way to go. Of course if a guy like Trump is elected… (darn that human side we do have) Many like me will just become disappointed, taking to arms is not what we usually do. So we will just look forward to support the next wave of refugees that will come up thanks to the idiotic interventions that guys like Trump will come up in the future.

What gives me hope is that at least I still see many Americans that do recognize that you are not only wrong but inhumane and scared of your own shadow.

[Guinastasia]

@adaher

I wonder if this might change your defense of our supposed lack of a religious test:

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/syrian-christians-are-greatest-peril-least-likely-be-admitted

Okay, so if they are targeted at the camps, that means the camps consist of extremists, who weren’t afraid to register as refugees. Let’s let them in, while effectively excluding Christians. Brilliant policy, Mr. President!

Oh, now THAT’S a really objective source.

[foolsguinea]

@adaher

If you actually believe it’s not true, then fine. But if you accept that there’s a good chance some of them are terrorists, then there’s no way around the fact that you’re knowingly admitting terrorists into the country. I don’t see why other posters would be so resistant to taking responsibility for that decision.

There are a lot more homegrown terrorists already here. You know, Timothy McVeigh types. Or the kind that burned Tulsa back in the day. The one reason I worry about letting in refugees is provoking white nationalists to do violence.

@adaher

We can vet Belgians. We’re also finding out that the French and Belgians themselves knew to watch some of these guys.

We can’t vet Syrians. And remember, unlike Belgians, these are a people who were taught to hate in their schools from the time they were children.

In Syria? :dubious:

I don’t know what you mean by this, but it sounds silly to me.

[Miller]

@Morgenstern

Proof is going to be pretty hard to get until something happens.

No lie, I laughed out loud at this.

You are an exceptionally stupid person.

[Colibri]

@Miller

No lie, I laughed out loud at this.

You are an exceptionally stupid person.

It’s as if Yogi Berra was being channeled by Donald Trump.

[Smapti]

@Morgenstern

Yeah, ISIS just happened to be there when those French nationals strapped on suicide bombs and blew themselves up. Then they threw the fake passport in the mess to make us hate the Syrians and make the internet retards scream about how unfair life.

But ISIS, who claimed responsibility, had nothing to do with it. Makes sense.

Why, it’s almost as if ISIS were capable of recruiting among the French population or something.

[Iggy]

@foolsguinea

…
In Syria? :dubious:

I don’t know what you mean by this, but it sounds silly to me.

Yes. In Syria.

Textbooks in Syrian schools espouse an anti-Semitism much like has been seen in Palestinian schools.

[Gyrate]

@Clothahump

Since when did expressing an opinion based in common sense become fear? Because liberals, that’s why.

Only a moron with a head made of concrete would not think that the so-called “refugees” are not packed full of ISIS terrorists. They’ve already been doing it in Europe. And yet the morons want to import them into our country by the friggin’ thousands. Why? Was it just too much effort for them to sneak across the border from Mexico that you so desperately want kept wide open, and so you decided to make it easier for them out of compassion and shit?

Own this - adaher is right. Deal with it. And when the explosions start happening and the shots start being fired, remember that he told you so.

You’re quite right. Clearly you are in serious danger. I recommend buying all the guns and canned goods you can and sealing yourself into your house until FoxNews reports there is no more danger from foreigners, poor people and minorities. Also, I understand the terrorists can hack into your computer so it may be best to stay offline for the duration.

Good luck to you, and God bless America.

[Gyrate]

David Miliband wants a word. And another, on the vetting process.

As I said, actual terrorists can get into the country far more easily as tourists or students - there is no benefit to them coming in as refugees. There is, of course, plenty of reasons for the terrorists to want us to reject the refugees - it gives ISIS more power and credibility and creates more disaffected Muslims (despite adaher’s handwaving and "nuh-uh"ing about Haiti). You may recall that Bush’s divisive rhetoric was an absolute godsend [sic] for Al Qaeda recruiting, in that the more he railed about the war between “us and them” in dualistic terms the more recruits they got. Osama bin Laden even gleefully commented on it. Conversely, when Obama was elected and immediately declared that America was not at was with Islam but only its terrorist fringe (you conservatives may remember this as his “apology tour”) it was seen with great dismay by Al Qaeda in that it undercut their whole “holy war” message.

And now we have ISIS saying the same thing - that what they want is a return to those Manichean “us vs them” rhetoric and policies that force Muslims in the “grayzone” to choose between a Western world that vilifies them or a radical Islam that welcomes them as holy warriors.

And you fuckwits want to give ISIS exactly what they want - and you call it being sensible and risk-averse.

[Gary_Kumquat]

@adaher

Saying that accepting Syrian refugees presents no safety risks is absurd on its face.

Why, it might lead to mass shootings in the US!

[Morgenstern]

@Miller

No lie, I laughed out loud at this.

You are an exceptionally stupid person.

Too stupid to believe Homeland Security’s take on it?
https://homeland.house.gov/press/mccaul-says-admitting-unvetted-syrian-refugees-us-very-dangerous/

I never realized you were such a total pile of steaming plop before numbnuts. I knew Colobri was, but you, that’s surprising.

[iiandyiiii]

Who’s advocating letting in refugees without vetting?

[Morgenstern]

Enormous Polecat’s open door policy. That’s what we’ve been arguing against. (see post #153)

[iiandyiiii]

@Morgenstern

Enormous Polecat’s open door policy. That’s what we’ve been arguing against. (see post #153)

I didn’t see anything about no vetting.

[Trion]

@iiandyiiii

I didn’t see anything about no vetting.

I’ve just gone through all EP’s posts in this thread and I didn’t see anything about the vetting process one way or the other.

Generally, I work under the assumption that I’ve missed something. Because, you know, I’m a moron.

[Skywatcher]

@iiandyiiii

Who’s advocating letting in refugees without vetting?

@Morgenstern

Enormous Polecat’s open door policy. That’s what we’ve been arguing against. (see post #153)

Here are all the posts Euphonius Polemic (don’t see anyone called Enormous Polecat) has made in this thread.

@Euphonious_Polemic

If someone firebombs a mosque, or attacks a muslim woman as she drops her children off at school, then I think they should be charged with terrorism.

It should be made absolutely crystal clear to them that they are being charged with aiding and abetting ISIS. They are committing acts that directly benefit ISIS, and they should be charged with helping those terrorists.

ISIS has been very, very clear about their goals; They want to divide the world into “us” and “them”, into “Muslim” and “Infidel”. They want to provoke a world war between the Muslim population and everyone else. In order to do this, they commit horrible, horrible crimes and inflict death and suffering on innocents. Their crimes don’t do much by themselves. But the GOAL of the crimes is to inflame stupid people in the west to treat Muslims badly. If western and moderate Muslims are treated badly, ISIS hopes that they will join them in fighting the “other”.

By attacking Muslims, these idiots are doing the work of ISIS for them. They might as well be following the ISIS handbook and obeying direct orders from the ISIS leaders.

I put people like adaher in a similar (though not directly criminal) camp. adaher is supporting the ideals of ISIS, and aiding and abetting ISIS in their work.
ISIS absolutely LOVES, LOVES, LOVES people like adaher. His attitudes towards refugees are EXACTLY what they hoped to obtain by the bombings in Paris. adaher might as well be obeying direct orders from them. ISIS wants to divide us; adaher wants to make moves to divide us. ISIS wants us to fear; adaher spreads fear. ISIS wants to promote an “us” versus “them” ideology; adaher promotes an “us” versus “them” ideology.

adaher (and those like him) is a traitor, and a supporter of the ideals of a terrorist organization.

@Euphonious_Polemic

He may not WANT to aid ISIS, but that is exactly what he IS doing. He (and those like him) is a poster child for ISIS recruiting in the west. We need to call people like this out. And call them terrorist supporters to their faces.

The politicians you reference are just as bad if not worse.

@Euphonious_Polemic

adaher is supporting the evil terrorists who kill innocents to further their agenda.

He is actively helping them to achieve their goals. He might as well be following the ISIS manual and getting direct orders from their leadership.

But yay! He did not actually shoot anyone or actually plant a bomb. So there’s that.

@Euphonious_Polemic

What kind of nonsense statement is this?

It sounds like a 6 year old saying “Oh you think you’re so great”. It’s meaningless.

Knee-jerk reactions in response to terrorist killings is EXACTLY what they want us to do. Sorry. I don’t obey the terrorists. I don’t think that we should keep muslims out, merely because they are muslims. I think we should not operate out of FEAR, just because the terrorists have told us to BE AFRAID.

I hate fucking terrorist sympathizers. Even if they are too dense to know that they are actually terrorist sympathizers.

@Euphonious_Polemic

ISIS commits acts of atrocious violence. They have stated that they do this to foment a world war between Muslims and everyone else.
ISIS wants the flow of refugees to the west to stop. ISIS wants the west to mistreat and abuse moderate Muslims. ISIS wants the west to assume every Muslim is the enemy.

People like adaher want the flow of refugees to the west to stop. They want us to treat moderate muslims like they are all the enemy.

People like adaher are doing the work of ISIS. They are following the ISIS playbook to the letter. They are terrorist sympathizers. They may be doing it out of stupidity, but they are still doing it.

@Euphonious_Polemic

Congratulations Morgenstern You can now join the ranks of people who willingly hoover up ISIL propaganda. You even repeat their propaganda for them!

ISIL thanks you for your generous contributions to their cause. They really appreciate it when dupes like you do their work for them.

Maybe they’ll send you a thank-you fruit basket too!

@Euphonious_Polemic

ISIL thanks you for your devoted work helping them in dividing the world along religious and racial lines. You truly are devoted to the cause.

Any remorse for repeating ISIL propaganda? No? Didn’t think so.

@Euphonious_Polemic

Then congratulations for doing EXACTLY what ISIL wants. They thank you for the support. A fruit basket to you as well.

@Euphonious_Polemic

You support ISIL’s goals. You are doing what you can to help ISIL achieve their goals of preventing the west from accepting refugees and isolating the vast number of moderate muslims.

You might as well just carry around an ISIL flag. You support their goals, dreams and aspirations of dividing the world into “us” and “them” until there is an all out world war.

I am getting really fucking sick of terrorist supporters in our midst, doing the work of ISIL for them. I’ve had it. I"m going to call a spade a fucking shovel.

The only thing I hate worse are the actual terrorists in our countries, who ACTIVELY do the work of ISIL for them. Fucking scum. They should be convicted of committing terrorism on behalf of ISIL and locked away.

And the worst of the worst are the ISIL assholes themselves.

@Euphonious_Polemic

ISIS has said they are doing this, so you believe them and help them spread their lies and fear.

You’re a fucking terrorist supporter, who blindly repeats what the terrorists want you to. Your only excuse would be that you’re gullible and stupid, so you don’t know what you’re doing.

So you’re not a malicious ISIL supporter – you’re merely a stupid one.

@Euphonious_Polemic

Keep doing the work of ISIL for them, you fucking terrorist supporter. Do you get a newsletter from them to parrrot from or what?

@Euphonious_Polemic

Police believe attackers used forged passports to stigmatize refugees

And yet that does not stop our resident terrorist supporters here on these boards from using this ISIL propaganda to support their cause.

ISIL relies on “home-grown” supporters to carry out their evil plans. And how to get those? Why just enlist the aid of those who would stigmatize, marginalize and seek to keep Muslim refugees out of the west. These kind of people are the best friends ISIL ever had. ISIL can point to these anti-Muslim folks and say “See, Muslims of the west? You are hated! You are marginalized! Your only hope is to join us and fight them.” This is how they gain converts in the west. And they can thank their nice supporters here for that.

Care to point out anything that mentions “vetting”? Anything at all?

[xenophon41]

@Morgenstern

Too stupid to believe Homeland Security’s take on it?
https://homeland.house.gov/press/mccaul-says-admitting-unvetted-syrian-refugees-us-very-dangerous/.

So, let me see if I understand. To show that you’re not actually “exceptionally stupid”, you’ve linked to a story about a fearful letter sent to the POTUS by the Republican chairman of the US HoR Committee on Homeland Security, and you’ve characterized that letter as “Homeland Security’s take” on Syrian refugees.

This is performance art, right?

[Gary_Kumquat]

@xenophon41

This is performance art, right?

More like performance anxiety than performance art.