Especially since in many cases it never meant to assimilate them at all: starting in the '50s and '60s many European countries started recruiting cheap labor from postcolonial Muslim nations, assuming they’d be staying only for a short while and never really addressing the problems of their acculturation till much more recently.
He’ll probably pick Maddow four times.
Expressing an opinion isn’t fear- heck, I’m not even sure how you’d come to that conclusion, since it doesn’t even make grammatical sense.
No, being afraid to let in refugees because they *might *be terrorists in disguise is fear. Fear is apparently the biggest GOP motivator these days. Fear of immigrants (because they might be rapists, criminals, or carriers of Ebola, fer cryin’ out loud). Fear that Obama might be a Muslim sympathizer out to destroy America. Fear of homosexuality. Fear of Guatamo prisoners. Fear that liberals might be right about anything.
That’s all that gets the conservative voters into the booths, and that’s all that Fox News pushes.
Smapti, the point your missing, that’s well received here, is that being Muslim doesn’t make you a terrorist, nor does being a terrorist make you a Muslim. However, being in ISIS generally makes you a Muslim (Islamic) terrorist. So you can quit with the “Muslims are good people shtick,” because no one is doubting that.
Terrorists don’t need to sneak anywhere or hide in groups of refugees. For example, Mohammad Atta came through Newark International.
I guess you could say the same thing about that “No Fly List” too. It’s just the government catering to fear and suspicion at the expense of the rights of those on the list to fly. But wait, isn’t that what governments are suppose to do? Protect the citizens by whatever legal means works?
I am absolutely smacked that all those God fearing states who say they want Christian values reflected in government want no part of helping these poor people. That’s a very curious interpretation of Christian values, don’t you think?
Maybe it’s just me.
Those on the no-fly list have some specific reason why they are not allowed to fly. It is not a broad brush prohibition.
What’s the Christian value regarding slaughtering innocent people? I think they pretty much want that, don’t you?
And since the people seeking refugee status are seeking that status because ISIS invaded their homes and drove them out, it seems very unlikely that there’s overlap between the two groups.
I believe they’re generally against it.
Do you actually think the refugees contain large numbers of people who want to slaughter innocent people? And that rejecting the refugees based on nothing more than their religion keeps us safer? Or are you just here to snark?
And I’m thinking that if you really wanted OUT of Daesh, you’d be one of the first volunteers for ‘undercover infiltration’.
Not broad brush, but pretty wide brush.
Yes, you can get on the no fly list for;
1. You could raise “reasonable suspicion” that you’re involved in terrorism. “Irrefutable evidence or concrete facts” are not required.
2. You could post something on Facebook or Twitter that raises “reasonable suspicion.”
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5. Or you could just know someone terrorist-y, maybe.
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7. Finally, you could just be unlucky.
Pretty much arbitrary to say the least. The government is totally erring on the side of safety. Albeit overreacting with respect to the innocent.
Do you know who else had infiltrators who weren’t really into their sabotage?
No, we should clearly ask them if they are ISIS and only if they admit it, disallow them. They will work.
Or maybe, given we have no diplomatic ties to Syria, we should search their records, or record if they can find anything like that, and use that data? How do you propose we check them for terrorist ties?
ETA, you’re quite sure ISIS hasn’t placed a few operatives in the long lines of refugees? Have you been reading the news?
Because of course there are no actual refugees (without scare quotes) trying to get out of Syria, desperate, terrified, with nowhere to turn, largely owing to a war we gratuitously started.
Nope, all the good Syrians are living comfortably within their own borders and minding their own business. All this “refugee” nonsense is just an ISIS scam to infest western countries with ISIS terrorists.
Heck, we don’t need adaher to tell us that there will be further ISIS terrorist attacks, I’ll tell you so myself. This is the world we live in for now, and from time to time radical-Islamist violent fundamentalists are going to kill another bunch of people and make all the rest of the world, Muslim and non-Muslim alike, hate them that much more.
But we won’t stop those attacks by turning away refugees. If we let ourselves be terrorized into throwing our humanitarian principles down the drain, then you know who’s already won, don’t you?
How did we check Jewish refugees for enemy ties in WWII? Oh, wait, we didn’t, we just sent them back home to be murdered by the millions.
Is that the alternative you’d prefer?
You failed to learn anything from the Paris attacks?
One of the most chilling details from the Paris attacks is that the passport of a Syrian refugee was found on or near the body of a dead suicide bomber.
His damn passport didn’t list his occupation as suicide bomber either.
“60 Minutes” on the No Fly list eight years ago:
Names on the list at the time:
Not on the list at the time:
I would submit that there is a difference between not allowing someone on an aircraft and denying someone safe refuge from a war zone, the difference between being merely inconvenienced to being denied life’s necessities.