Advice to those who think they will be forever single (but who don't want to be)

OK, this thread is about people who think they will be single the rest of their lives. Some of the people posting in that thread are thrilled about it, some are resigned to it, and some are downright miserable as a result of it. The former group have made it quite clear that they do not want to hear from people who used to think they would always be single until they found true love, and they certainly don’t want any advice.

Which is fine, and I can respect that. For the benefit of the other people who have posted in that thread, however (i.e., those who are convinced for one reason or another that they will be forever single and who are not happy with their lot in life), I thought I’d start this thread as a place where those of us who have been in their shoes can give encouragement and advice.

I can’t tell you how strongly I identify with many of the posters in that thread. Like many of them, I had never had a long-term relationship (heck – not even a short term relationship, if the truth be told) throughout high school or college, and at the age of 35 I became utterly and irrevocably convinced that I was slated to die alone and unloved. I even went out and bought myself an impractical sports car, figuring that I had nothing better to spend my money on and that I might as well have some enjoyment in life. As to why I was unable to have a relationship, I was completely convinced it was primarily due to the fact that I am just too damn ugly for any woman to be attracted to. I’ve been overweight since early teens despite numerous attempts at diet and exercise, I have a schnozz the size of a minor planetoid, etc. This, of course, made me very insecure about myself, and we all know what a sexual turn-on complete lack of confidence is, right? Basically, I exuded the sex appeal of a turnip.

In addition, I was very intellectual and introverted – a real boring nerd. I was also raised in a very restrictive religion that frowned on (among other things) alcohol, premarital sex, and dating anybody outside that religion. Even though I stopped going to church when I was 30, I just could never feel comfortable hanging around bars trying to meet people, and was convinced that no modern-day woman would date a guy who didn’t drink and who wasn’t looking for sex before marriage. The only women I met who shared my values were also extremely religious, and I swore I would never get back into a religion (organized or otherwise).

When I hit 35, I decided that I didn’t really want to die alone and unloved after all and that I wasn’t really as resigned to that fate as I had tried to convince myself. And so, after a hiatus of about 5 years, I cautiously reentered the dating pool via the whole Internet dating thing. I can’t say I had a single decent date as a result (and the number of rejections and ignored e-mails nearly staggered me back into a deep depression), but some good did come out of it. Basically, it got me back into the right frame of mind. I had really let myself slide since “giving up” 5 years before, so I started back in with the diet and exercise. I didn’t suddenly become thin and sexy, but I did manage to drop 30 pounds – just enough to make me feel a bit more hopeful and confident in myself. I also did some massive cleaning in my apartment and started taking more pride in how I dressed, just on the off-chance that I might need to impress somebody I met on-line. And I let my family, friends and co-workers know that I was available and looking, in case anybody had any friends they wanted to fix me up with.

There was one other thing, though, that made a huge difference in my life, and I hesitate mentioning it for fear that people will take it the wrong way. For the first time in my life, I considered dating somebody from a completely different culture. I had always assumed that the most important thing in finding a “match” was to find somebody with a similar background and cultural upbringing, and I also assumed that nobody from a different culture would ever be interested in me, both because of cultural differences and because I would obviously not match whatever “ideal of beauty” existed in that culture.

Well, as it turns out, I was wrong. When one of my Chinese co-workers asked if I would be interested in meeting a family friend (also Chinese) who had been living in the U.S. for a few years, I decided it was worth a shot. Her English was fine, she had a good job and she was intelligent, funny and beautiful (to me, at least). And, to my amazement, I discovered that she thought I was funny, intelligent and handsome. I guess there’s something to the old “exotic is beautiful” theory after all, since she really thought my “big eyes”, huge nose and pale skin were all very attractive, and my weight didn’t bother her a bit. In fact, she really didn’t care one way or another how I looked – she was just so impressed with how nice of a guy I was (especially compared to all the Chinese men she had dated over the years). I also found that her perspective on life matched mine almost completely, even though mine came from a religious upbringing and hers came from a completely different source. To make a long story slightly less long, we ended up dating for 10 months and got married a few months ago.

OK, this is turning out way longer than I had planned, but I really would like this to be a thread where people can give advice and encouragement. I guess I would break my advice down to the following:

[ul][li]Try hard to make yourself presentable. You don’t need to turn yourself into a sex god or goddess, but showing some pride in your appearance is a definite signal to others that you are somebody worth knowing. Get a decent haircut, wear nice clothing, shave, etc. “Giving up” can definitely be a self-fulfilling prophecy.[/li]
[li]If you’re overweight, consider going to a gym. It was the single hardest thing I’ve ever done, and I honestly don’t know if my outward appearance changed noticibly, but it did wonders for my confidence and general sense of well-being.[/li]
[li]Tell friends, family and co-workers that you wouldn’t mind if they had a friend they wanted to introduce to you. Yes, blind dates are hell, but your friends and family probably aren’t going to set you up with a total psycho.[/li]
[li]Consider dating outside your comfort zone, whether that means a different culture, race, religion, or whatever. All the things you hate about yourself may end up being exactly what somebody in a different culture finds attractive. Remember – those things we hate about ourselves are often dictated by what our particular culture has ingrained into us as being unattractive.[/ul][/li]
No, there aren’t any guaranteed answers, and yes, some people may never find the person of their dreams. Sometimes it’s not enough to “just stop looking so hard” or “learn to love yourself first” (although those things can certainly help). But I don’t think there’s any reason for somebody who is 20 or 25 or 30 or even 35 (i.e., an old fart like me) to give up solely based on past experiences (or lack thereof, as the case may be).

Regards,

Barry

So that was the deal breaker!

All kidding aside, this is a nice post, Barry, & I fully agree. I have known a couple of guys who complain about no dates but who did nothing at all like you did. Hope things continue to go well for you. :cool:

The funny thing is that my wife absolutely hates my car and made a lot of initial assumptions about me based on the car that I had to work hard to dispell over time. I was previously so obsessed with saving money that every other car I drove was a total beater that I paid cash for, but the first time she saw my car she assumed I was your “typical” American male who likes to waste money on expensive toys…

Thanks for the kind wishes, BTW! I have no doubt that I have found my soul mate, and every day I awake with a sense of total amazement that such a thing is possible. My biggest fear is that one day I will awaken to discover it was all just a dream after all.

Barry

Aw…I really like to hear about success stories like that!
The best to you and your wife, Barry.

Thanks for an excellent post, godzillatemple. It gives me hope that I may in fact be on the right road after all.

In the past two years, I’ve gotten a decent place to live, started working out, started dressing better. Now I just gotta finish paying off the debt I acquired when I was depressed and thought buying stuff would fill the hole. Oh yes, and sort out my career.

Still working on the romance thing though. Maybe I’ll start asking my acquaintances too…

That was a great post, Barry! And sound advice, I might add. I don’t know that I have anything to contribute in the way of advice, because I think you covered it pretty well.

I myself was always a happy-flappy single gal (the only thing that bothered me about my single status were the people who found it abnormal), and had already begun picturing my eventual Adult Life: living in a rambling old Victorian somewhere remote, running a writers’ colony, and taking in strays of all varieties (OK, maybe not all varieties–I was thinking more along the lines of dogs and wayward adolescents or something, not, like, buffalo, but who knows?–and perhaps an occasional lover or two) who would provide ample company when I craved it.

It was gonna be great.

Plus I have enough domineering family members that I have never once felt alone or unloved in my life, and figured I never would, because domineering family dies hard, don’tcha know.

So I was all set.

So far all I had was a small, 2-bedroom house, 2 dogs, 2 rats, and a stinky little boy who’d followed me home one day (so I kept him, at least on evenings and weekends), but I was well on my way, I tell ya.

And then along came SkipMagic.

Ruined everything. :stuck_out_tongue:

Long story short, now I’m married to the only person in the world who’s been able to convince me that getting married (to him, of course) was a better idea than what I had planned.

(Of course, as Skip can attest, the first couple of times we fought, my first thought was, “Screw this–I wasn’t unhappy being single, but I’m sure as hell unhappy NOW!”, and my first solution to the whole ugly scene was to dump him. Fortunately, he’s a stubborn little bastard, so it never worked. Now, I don’t even try. For one thing, I know at this point that I don’t want to be without him, and for another, I know how hard it is to get his ass to leave. ;))

So there you have it.

I guess the only advice I can give, aside from what Barry said, is this trite tidbit:

Figure out a way to like being alone, to like life. When I was single, I thought of romantic love as just one of a gazillion things that’s out there for people to enjoy, along with such other things as gardening, puppies, tuba-playing, tai-chi, taking naps, nosepicking, etc. And like all of that other stuff, some people seem to have a knack for it, and others aren’t even interested in it. So just as it doesn’t make you a freak if you don’t, say, play the piano, it doesn’t make you a freak if you don’t have a boyfriend/girlfriend/husband/wife. There’s lots of other groovy stuff out there to do.

And I think it’s Murphy’s Law that you always fall in love when you least expect it.

YMMV.

godzillatemple, I’m so glad you started this thread. I saw that other thread and thought, “Gee, I suppose I could be posting there, as my current situation is pretty dismal, but I just can’t.” I just haven’t given up, and I don’t intend to. I’m currently in the process of doing several of the things you mention, actually. Hell, even if I don’t attract more women, going to the gym can only be a good thing, right? Confidence, while occasionally difficult to maintain, is a good thing, and is the single most attractive trait to a potential mate (except, perhaps, washboard abs, but hey, I’ve got to work with what I’ve got, right?)

Nice nice post, Barry!

Yup, client after client, and friend after friend,

Try to find different ways to say it …
"So, if you’ve decided you’re going to be alone for the rest of your life, then it’s YOUR life! Quit waiting around to find out what you’ll do in life, once you have your “one and only” … get out and experiment, do things you’ve never done, and compile a list of things you discover that you Like to do! Then … Do those things, build your life as if it Were yours and for you! Cause if you get involved in doing the things that actually ‘feed’ and ‘nurture’ you, it makes you start to shine. And it turns out people are a LOT like porch lights, in the Mid-West, in the summer time! The brighter the bulb shines, the more interesting bugs it attracts!

As someone who could never seem to find a relationship that would last longer than two weeks, but is now riding one for the third month, I would modify this somewhat.

“Figure out what is critical to you, and be flexible about the rest.”

Everybody has “dealbreaker” issues. For example, I know that I can’t date someone who is seriously religious. Somewhere along the line, I realized I was wasting my time and their time if I tried to ignore that.

However, with introspection, I realized that I had “de facto dealbreakers” which really weren’t that important to me. I started being much more open minded about single mothers or women who were older than me.

I realized that there is a huge gap between what I think I want and what will make me happy.

Ditto the very honest and insightful post, Barry.

I have a fellow colleague here in the conservative Bible Belt city where we live that after years of not finding someone he liked or was compatible with turned to the mail order bride venue. He went to S. America and came back with this incredibly beautiful Venezulean girl about 20 yrs his younger (she is definitely hot). I don’t know how long they communcated or what the courtship was like. They’ve been together (married) 4 yrs now and I see them at the gym together. True, I don’t know what their marriage is really like.

Just seems to me there’d be too many worries/hassles about how family members and society would treat her/us not to mention the cultural shock she’d have to go thru and the stigma of being a mail order bride and such. What do you (pl) think?

Then again, arranged marriages probably carry a lot of stigma as well, but from what I’ve heard, have about the same divorce rates as the traditional boy meets girl/courtship/marriage route.

Anyone have any first or secondhand knowledge of mail order brides (not rumor).

Dude - want to trade friends?..

godzillatemple,

Thanks for starting this thread. I was in the first thread… I’m somewhere in-between; I’m almost 27 and I haven’t been in a relationship for a year (also had a terrible blind date about 9 months ago :shudder: ). I have stopped looking for now (Let Nature take its Course, Fate, blah, blah…) but I have not lost hope. I’m very good at being independent, so most of the time I like being on my own but sometimes I miss the companionship. For now, I’m of the “let it find me” school of thought - maybe this will work, maybe not.

Thanks for the story - I enjoyed reading it.

PS - To the person who e-mailed me because of the other thread (you know who you are): Thanks for the kind words.

And to cuauhtemoc, who listens to me whine about this subject once-in-a-while: Thanks to you too! :slight_smile:

Hoo-boy. I think this opens up a whole other can of worms. To be honest, in the back of my mind I’ve always wondered whether people would equate my Chinese wife with a mail order bride (in the sense of “oh, you couldn’t find an American who would date you, so you found some poor, uneducated girl who was desparate for a green card and a better life…”)

I personally don’t think this applies to my situation, since my wife had been living here for a few years, spoke English well, had a good job, and certainly wasn’t looking for an American husband when she met me.

As I touched upon briefly in my mammoth opening post, what amazed me about my wife was that we shared such similar outlooks on life in spite of the fact that we were raised in completely different cultures. We have the same value systems, we have the same goals and aspirations, etc. I wasn’t looking for a stereotypically “docile” Asian bride, and I certainly didn’t find one! (She wears her wedding ring on her finger; mine is firmly through my nose, believe me!)

The big thing for us, though, was our ability to communicate. I first “met” her on the phone, and we talked for 2 hours that first night. Obviously we had a lot to talk about, which was nice, but I was so thrilled that we COULD talkk for 2 hours. Had her English been poor to the point that we couldn’t communicate, I doubt I would have taken the next step and asked her out. And I simply can’t imagine going to a foregn country and coming back with a woman who doesn’t speak English and basically knows nothing about me or my culture.

To be honest, I’ve always had a low opinion of people who resort to mail order brides. Of course, I also had a low opinion of those who resort to Internet dating until I became one of those people (well, to be honest, that just lowered my opinion of myself even further, but that’s another story…)

As for arranged marriages, it’s interesting that you bring it up since for awhile I really thouight that was what I was getting into. My wife-to-be was a close family friend of the co-worker who set us up, and apparently her mother had called his mother and told him to find a nice man for her daughter. And when I first met my wife-to-be, her mother was actually staying with her for an extended visit. The mother didn’t speak any English, so my wife-to-be had to translate eveything between us. And boy was it strange having my wife-to-be tell me that her mother approved of me and thought I would make a good husband. I had heard that some parts of rural China still practiced arranged marriages, and for a while there I thought that I was going to be part of one. As it turns out, there was none of that going on, and it took a few more months before my sweetie decided that I was the one for her. Still, that made for a very interesting first date…

Barry

To tell you the truth, as a Navy veteran during the “Nam” years and traveled quite extensively throughout Asia, I grew very fond of Asian women. But again, due to my present locale, being WASP and the family B.S./prejudices, local traditional values, yad-dee, yad-dee, I haven’t investigated Asians or Latinos. Just feel like the peer pressure and general hassles are more than I want to deal with. ON THE OTHER HAND, sometimes I feel like I’m placing too much emphasis on that because, in general, I don’t give a flying _uck what people think about me.

It is interesting, however, that arranged marriages between 2 people that know little of each other beforehand have the same divorce rates as the traditional method. Wonder why that is? Anybody?

Thanks, Barry and anyone out there have any good intel on meeting and marrying women from other countries (aka mail order brides)? Sorry, should I start another thread on this topic so as not to hijack this one?

Google “Elena Petrova womenrussia” for Elena Petrova’s excellent site about Eastern European mail-order brides. The site is clear, candid, and goes into exhaustive detail about what the process of finding a bride overseas actually entails. It convinced me not to follow that road until I am a lot more prepared.

My husband Dread Pirate Jimbo and I met over the internet (loveataol.com, to be precise). We’ve been together 3 1/2 years, and married for almost one now. That was some great advice in your OP, Barry. At 32 years old, I decided I was tired of being alone, that I was ready for a committed, long-term relationship, and I went out and found one. If you want more than your life has in it right now, it is up to you to do something about it. I wanted more; I took the steps to get out and find more.

I’m pretty quiet in real life, and while I’m not physically repulsive, I have never been the type of woman that men flock to. I’d had a few long-term relationships (some ended better than others), but I had been alone most of my adult life. I’m also a bit of an oddball, and have very little interest in “normal” people (and they don’t know what to do with me, either, so it’s definitely mutual).

When Jim and I met, we had just about everything in common, which makes perfect sense since he answered my ad in the net personals because I was his match in just about every way. Internet dating is not for everyone; I had my share of bad dates and rejections before finding Jim. I just looked at it as concentrated dating; I was able to meet and eliminate as mates many more men in a short time than I would have just going the normal “wait for someone great to show up” route.

Thanks to me?!? You’re such a sweetheart! :wink:

Barry, I’m not gonna take a bitter, cynical, muttering-under-my-breath, slightly-buzzed-on-one-Corona (I said one, lel! I’m kidding, doll, you know I heart ya’) crap all over your happy thread, I’ll just say congratulations on finding your soulmate, and I wish you all the happiness, yadda yadda yadda…

Now, who wants to help me lift this huge chip back onto my shoulder?

Just a WAG, but I’m guessing that people who enter into an arranged marriage have different expectations from those who pick their own mates. They know up front that the probably won’t be physically attracted to their spouse and that love will have to develop over time, so perhaps they work harder at it and are able to build a stronger relationship as a result? In today’s “modern” society, so much emphasis is placed on romantic love and sexual compatibilty that I think a lot of marriages fail because those things eventually fade and the people involved never bothered to develop a stronger bond.

And I thank you for that, believe me! :wink:

Besides, I never claimed that my advice would work for everybody…

Barry

Sigh, count me in as one who is pretty much convinced that she’s going to be single for the rest of her life.

I’ve dated, and had long term relationships over the years, never really found anyone who was “it” til my current boyfriend. Unfortunately, he’s “on a mission from God” (to keep it simple) and isn’t ready to commit, so we’ve made an agreement to stay together until I leave the state for Texas at the end of the fall semester. (December).

I find myself feeling a number of different ways about this decision. But for the most part, I find myself of the “the one that got away, and I’ll never find anyone to measure up to him and I’ll be single forever” school of thought.

Funny thing is, that aside from this, I AM a busy, happy person. I have a good career, two actually, aside from my “real” job, I also teach fitness and dance at a university.

I have a good family. It’s not like I’m mooning around about this all the time. But I have gotten to the point where I’m thinking, “you know? I’m 44, I’ve had several LTRs, and I’ve never found “the one” I’m getting pretty old, so it’s not like it’s gonna happen”.

I wish this weren’t true, and I’m not "miserable (in other words staying home sulking or whatever), but I’m NOT thrilled with it, and do wish it weren’t so.

But, at the same time, I’ve reached the point in my life where I’m really tired of expending all that love and energy only to get “screwed over” so to speak.

Preach it, Bru-THA! Initially, I assumed that my friends and family would think I was “settling” by marrying a Black woman, but I eventually gainsayed that fear by gathering all of them together, popping some corn (with butter–all meetings designed to bring about closeness need butter involved), and then having them watch a video of the first night auntie em and I got it on. (Yes, Honey, I know you didn’t know the camera was going, but that’s not the point, is it? We’re trying to help godzillatemple’s thread along. Let’s discuss it later…)

They knew I was marrying a true Goddess after that. Now all of my friends are trying to hook up with their own Mocha Mamas. I told them to watch some old movies to learn how to pick 'em up, so we’ll see what happens. :wink:

Actually, my own story doesn’t differ too much from auntie em’s (except, no matter what she says to the contrary, I’m not a girl and the lovers I would have wanted coming around–or is it around, coming?–would have been of the female persuasion); at the time I had met her, I’d purposely (and happily, mind you) sworn off dating until I could get back in better shape (not that I was in horrible shape; I just wanted to start playing soccer again), finish up my degree and focus on getting a new house. My last girlfriend (a relationship that had ended nearly a year before) had turned out to be a depressive, self-destructing nutball, so I was a bit soured on the dating ritual.

Alas… a life of solitude was not what the Gods of Irony had waiting in a dark alley, ready to kick my butt. Instead, I read some of auntie em’s writing on the SDMB, saw her photo linked from one of those “Show Me Your Picture!” threads, and immediately started thinking of ways I could wear her down enough to agree to a date. It was magic from then on. Black magic, maybe, but magic nevertheless.

So, I’ll second (and third) what others have said before me in this thread: namely, be happy with yourself as a single person. Find a hobby, get a hobby or rent one if you have to; enjoying who you are is the first step (I feel) in finding a healthy, lasting relationship.

And it doesn’t hurt if you’re rich… :stuck_out_tongue: