I was racking my brain trying to remember where I’ve seen something like this before. That’s the incident I was thinking of.
I know it’s only rock and roll, but I like it.
So people are taking a stand against sexism by using…racism?
Here’s a tip for you chum: When you’re the one who doesn’t have the words to express himself and argue a point successfully, the other guy isn’t the dumb one.
Hope that helps.
I don’t know about “a reputation for an abundance of subject matter involving misandry or violence towards men.” But it did against women. Assuming that was a typo…and assuming that the performer reacted to a stranger on stage instead of specifically reacting to a woman on stage…
Rolling Stones circa 1976 released the album Black and Blue. Part of the promo featured model Anita Russell on a billboard in LA, bound by Jagger under the phrase “I’m Black and Blue from the Rolling Stones—and I love it!” The billboard was removed after protests by the feminist group Women Against Violence Against Women, although it earned the band widespread press coverage.
Here is the wiki write up which jives with my adolescent memory of when the album was released: Black and Blue - Wikipedia
Let us not forget Pete Townsend kicking Abbie Hoffman in the nuts, at Woodstock for getting in his stage space!
The reason I put men is because the video you linked to was Keith Richards assaulting a man with the quote “then it’s just rock n roll.”
Thanks for the link. Just googled the billboard. That looks fucked up. I agree with the critics of that billboard. Yeah, The Rolling Stones got more press coverage but it’s a no-win situation. If you don’t speak up you’re part of a society and culture who tolerates these types of things, and if you do, you give the people involved notoriety which will garner them free promotion. And I assume that some people market themselves that way with that in mind.
Was misogyny, specifically hate and violence towards women towards women prevalent in Rock n Roll? I know that sex and drugs were allegedly themes of rock n roll that critics used to denounce the genre but I haven’t heard much about violence towards women.
I wouldn’t cite Afroman’s assault on the woman as contributing to the hip-hop’s reputation because I myself didn’t even know he was a rapper. I thought he was pop or novelty-pop. But I grew up listening to hip-hop and while the genre itself isn’t misogynistic, there’s an substantial amount of misogyny in songs by mainstream rappers as well as an acceptance of it outside of the studio. Off top I can think of N.W.A’s “A Bitch iz a Bitch,” “One Less Bitch,” to Snoop Doggy Dogg/Snoop Lion having an actual pimp be his “spiritual advisor” and admitting that he actually began pimping in the mid-to-late 2000s but stopped because he fell in love with one of his prostitutes.
lol why are you trying so hard to excuse this shit behavior ?
lets say he didn’t ‘notice’ who it was … the guy just finished violently hitting someone and knocking them onto the floor and he just kept playing and ignored what he had just done … that’s more disturbing than anything else … either he was high or he’s a borderline psychopath
OK, let me explain it for you in words that even a fucking bag-of-hammers idiot like you might understand.
Everyone understood that your intent was to be insulting to the guy. You didn’t need to explain that, because we are not as dumb as you, and we got it the first time.
The point being made here is that, even if you do intend to insult someone, it is the act of a bigoted asshole to insult them using slurs related to their race, ethnicity, sexuality, etc. There are plenty of ways to insult people without doing that. Do you understand the concept?
Let me provide an example. I don’t know much about you, except that you’re a fucking moron, but let’s assume for the sake of this little hypothetical exercise that you come from an Italian background. And let’s assume that you’ve done or said something really fucking dumb (i know, not much of a stretch).
It would not be especially problematic for someone to say, in response:
“That magellan01 guy is a fucking moron.”
or
“That magellan01 guy is a major douchebag.”
or
“That magellan01 guy is a dribbling idiot.”
or
“That magellan01 guy has shit for brains.”
It would, however, be bigoted and offensive for someone to say:
“That magellan01 guy is a dumb greasy wop.”
The first group are descriptions of you as an individual. The others attempt to insult you by reference to a group that bears no responsibility for your own particular idiocy. Similarly, there is nothing wrong with insulting the musician in question here for being a fucking violent asshole. It’s when you insult him using terms that are racial in character that you mark yourself as a bigoted fuckwad.
Do you understand the distinction being drawn here. Do you need further examples, or an even more remedial explanation of the concept?
You’d be surprised at how many teenage superhero and supervillain names start with the letter “F.”
Hey, now, people - mags was just being racial, not racist. There’s a difference. Apparently.
magellan01 – are you saying “nappy” isn’t a racist slur, or are you saying that it may be a racist slur but you think it’s appropriate to use racist slurs when insulting jerks?
It all turned out much more happily in Sydney last year. Alex, a young NOFX fan, jumped on stage and grabbed “Fat Mike” Burkett by the neck. Burnett backhanded him and then kicked him in the face. Both Alex and Burkett were apologetic.
With unerring commercial smarts NOFX, at their next gig, were selling t-shirts with a photo of the incident on the front. Alex meanwhile not only got to model the t-shirt but sang Linoleum with the band.
I guess punk has more soul than rap.
It’s news to me that it’s a racist slur. The word describes a type of hair, not, as BigT so ignorantly describes, “unkempt and unmaintained”, but “having many tight bends or curls”.
On the one hand, Afroman appears to be a dick. On the other hand, anyone mounting the stage (without a clear invitation) shouldn’t be surprised if security hurts them in some way.
My understanding is that it’s not always a racial slur, but it often is, especially when used as an insult. There’s history behind it, as there usually is for problematic terms. Another example here. In short, it’s been used as just another way to identify being black as ‘other’ and ‘not normal’ – that their natural features are somehow ‘wrong’ for society (such as requirements that black women can’t wear their hair with natural texture for certain jobs).
I don’t think that Stringbean is trying to excuse anything. The way I read her comment was “I didn’t see him see her at the very beginning of the clip when I first watched it. It wasn’t until I saw it again that I realized that he was aware of her before she bumped his hip, then he leveled her.”
I could be wrong about that. I’m not trying to speak for Stringbean (and if I’ve misinterpreted your thoughts, Stringbean, I apologize). But that was the way I understood her comment.
I like your analogy. If someone said that to me after a punched a girl in the face, it would be fine. I wouldn’t characterize the insult as racist. If I had physical features that might inspire him to refer to me as a “dumb, greasy, fat, buck-toothed, one-eyed, spaghetti-eating wop”, that, too, would be fine. Their intent is to disparage me.
And this ignores the fact that your analogy goes much further than I did. Let’s look at my comment. I made a short offhanded comment that someone called Afroman should have his nappy ass thrown ion jail after punching a girl in the face. :eek: Oh, the horrors!
If I would have said, “He should have his black ass thrown in jail”, is that racist?
If I would have said, “He should have his afro-wearing ass thrown in jail”, is that racist?
The “nappy-headed” term was an intent to disparage. Or would you prefer the comment be more along the lines of, “He and his very attractive, beautiful afro should be thrown in jail”.
Your so demented on this shit I have no idea where you would even come out on any of it. You might even be as blind here as Dibble, who, evidently, thinks everything racial is racist.
The problem is not with my throw-away comment. The problem is assholes like you looking for any excuse, real or imagined, to whine, “Racist.”, “That’s racist.” The fact that my short comment that someone called Afroman should have his nappy ass thrown in jail registered at all your Acme Racist Meter shows that either it, or you, need recalibration.
It’s a disparaging way to refer to his hair. Woe is me for not alluding to the nobility and beauty of his hair, as it is a testament to the nobility and beauty of black people everywhere, as I recommended that the scumbag who punched a girl in the face be locked up.
Okay. My understanding is that “nappy”, when used disparagingly, is offensive to some, since it implies that one of the natural features of black people is somehow ugly or unacceptable in society.