Not a huge deal. I try to avoid words that many find offensive – further, it makes sense to me that many would find a word offensive if, when used derogatorily, it implies that the natural features of a certain group is unattractive or unacceptable.
I don’t know whose side of the “nappy” argument this supports, but I wonder what the hip-hop band Nappy Roots thinks.
Probably the same thing NWA thinks about the word nigger…
So, not a Don Imusfan, I can take it?
That was an insane overreaction.
Actually, BigT is right, too. Nappy isn’t a neutral term, like straight, or curly anymore, if it ever was.
I’m just going to throw out one other possibility that you can all jump all over me about…
Or he just lost his temper and over-reacted to yet another drunken party-er who thought that the listening audience came there to see her cool dance moves instead of the performers who practiced their whole lifetimes just to get up on stage and get the well earned attention of the audience.
just a theory…go ahead and admonish me for not screaming in outrage over the whole thing
BubbaDog, for me a key determinant in how to see this incident revolves not just around the blow itself, but his reaction afterwards. If he had looked down and seen the woman on the ground and immediately gone “Oh, fuck, what the hell did i do?”, i could probably buy your scenario. But he decked her, and kept playing as if nothing had even happened.
I can imagine myself lashing out unthinkingly if i were startled or whatever. I can’t imagine myself looking down at a flattened, bleeding young woman who i had just decked, shrugging it off, and leaving her on the floor.
It would indicate, at a minimum, that you feel the need to make references to race in order to call attention to the personal failings of individuals.
Personally, i’d be more inclined to say “his violent ass” or “his stupid ass” or something like that. You know? Something that actually alludes to the reason for his shitty actions.
Do you believe that his actions are a product of the color of his skin, or a product of his own personal characteristics? If you believe the former, then by all means use racial terms to disparage him. Just don’t be surprised when other people think you’re an asshole for doing so.
The fact that people like you make racially-based “throw-away comments,” and think that calling them “throw-away comments” makes them reasonable, is the problem.
Is “nappy-headed” the worst racial insult in the world? No, it’s not. But it’s not merely a neutral description of a hairstyle either, and you know it very well.
Etymonline has the colloquial or derogatory use going back to 1950. As I know the word, the connotation is generally negative and racial.
And magellan knows that very well.
Actually…
magellan, did you really just say that racist epithets are perfectly acceptable as long as they’re used as insults?
Oh, I have no doubt the intent was provocation.
He’s given what I consider a plausible explanation: - YouTube
The truth? I don’t know. But believable.
:smack: Why yes, yes it is.
No, he claimed that racial epithets used as insults aren’t (necessarily) racist. Such as the aforementioned “throw his black ass in jail”, which is clearly not an inherently racist statement.
Basically, he’s rejecting the idea that any mention of race, in a non-complimentary fashion, is racist. Which is how it should be, obviously (I’d hope), but there’s far too many ridiculously oversensitive people out there (Hi MrDribble), who look for racism in everything.
nvm
Plausible, yes. Maybe believable. If I had any more knowledge of the guy, or an emotional connection, I might give him the benefit of the doubt.
I don’t believe he hit her because she was a woman, or because he’s innately violent. But I believe he reacted extremely poorly and stupidly.
It’s not? How so?
He also said, I believe in a comment released by his agent, that there was little to no security at that place which is why people kept getting up on stage and why the chick that got smacked was up on stage for so long.
As Louie CK would say: It’s not relevant to the issue, just painting a picture. (I’m sure I screwed that quote up somehow but the gist is the same.)
I’m torn.
I mean, I see your point. And it does seem reasonable.
I did not see the whole video. the TMZ will not play for me at work. I was able to view another that showed only roundhouse slap\punch. I did not see the events leading up to that or his reaction afterward. He was quoted as saying he had complained, asked security to take care of it, but they did not. (And I keep asking 'Where the fuck was Security? Coffee break?)
Dont Ask relays the incident last year of Fat Mike from NOFX hitting and then kicking a fan in the face after that fan had got up on stage. We seem to have a different reaction to that one. Is it OK if the performer hits a guy? Do we think the stage crasher got what he deserved? (well, yeah, kind of…) Both the stage crasher and Fat Mike issued apologies. Afroman also issued an apology.
At least one poster has said it is not OK whether its a man or a woman. We do not seem to really believe that. If it was a guy, I don’t think any, well many, of us would care that much.
He should not have hit her, and he did get arrested. She should not have been there. And the security team should all be looking for jobs.