Al Masjid Al Aqsa

No, there just needs to be a Jewish Temple in a city to permanently mark it as Jewish territory till the end of Human History.

How much of the Earth do you want to glass? Stupid territorial disputes between morally-equivalent bands of zealots don’t begin with that tiny corner of the Middle East and they certainly don’t end there.

You guys have so much land, so many huge countries. Isn’t there room for just one little Jewish temple? You vant ve should have nothing?

Mosque
A mosque is a place of worship for followers of the Islamic faith. Muslims often refer to the mosque by its Arabic name, masjid Arabic: مسجد — pronounced: // (pl. masajid Arabic: مساجد — pronounced: //). The word “mosque” in English refers to all types of buildings dedicated for Islamic worship, although there is a distinction in Arabic between the smaller, privately owned mosque and the larger, “collective” mosque (masjid jami) (Arabic: جامع), which has more community and social amenities.

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Mosque
The mosque (masjid in Arabic) is a house of prayer for community worship. The main prayer hall of a mosque is usually fairly empty; having floors covered with fine carpets rather than chairs. The hall has a niche–called a mihrab–which indicates the direction of Mecca , towards which prayers are offered. Although the prayers which Moslems pray five times a day can be said in private–or wherever a person happens to be–the mosque is seen as the place for communal prayer, especially on Friday. To call worshippers to prayer, the muezzin climbs the mosque’s minaret and chants the call. As a religious center, a mosque may have a number of institutions attached to it; these may include a college, an alms kitchen for the poor, a hospital, a library, a primary school, a cemetery, and so on. See also Friday Mosque .

mosque
Noun

  1. (Islam) a Muslim place of worship
    (synonym) masjid, musjid
    (hypernym) place of worship, house of prayer, house of God, house of worship
    (part-meronym) mihrab
    (classification) Islam, Islamism, Mohammedanism, Muhammadanism, Muslimism

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mosque
n. masjid

Concise Oxford English Dictionary

mosque
■ noun a Muslim place of worship.

ME: from Fr. mosquée, via Ital. and Sp. from Egyptian Arab. masgid.
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community and social amenities.
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masjid


Noun

  1. (Islam) a Muslim place of worship
    (synonym) mosque, musjid
    (hypernym) place of worship, house of prayer, house of God, house of worship
    (part-meronym) mihrab
    (classification) Islam, Islamism, Mohammedanism, Muhammadanism, Muslimism

Concise Oxford English Dictionary

masjid
■ noun a mosque.

Congratulations - you can look a word up in a dictionary.

I would, but where would I keep it?

Congratulations. You have been able to provide a definition for the word mosque–a definition that was already well-known to all the readers of this forum.

Of course, this does not actually address the way in which you have arbitrarily redefined the word temple (or the anachronistic employment of the word synagogue) in your initial harangue. It does nothing to support your contention that the Masjid Al Aqsa has some sort of divine right to sit on the Temple Mount. (I do not argue that the mosque should be, in any way, harmed or removed, but you are making a claim for a whole city, not just the mosque, that is based on a religious belief and you are employing shifting definitions to (fail to) support your claim.)

If you are discussing the last version of the Temple, there is no great controversy over where it was located - at least, the compound in which it was located. This is marked out with enormous retaining walls, built by Harod the Great, some of which still survive today - they are a very impressive sight.

Is it of any importance in the Muslim world that, although the mosque lies within the Israeli city of Jerusalem, it is actually governed (with Israeli concurrance) by an Islamic foundation? Seems it is already under Muslim jurisdiction.

In all likelihood, the Temple was located at or near the current location of the Dome of the Rock - and not the Al-Aqsa Mosque, which is a bit to the south.

It should be explained to others, though I’m sure you know, that both lie within the (big) compound supported by the retaining walls - the so-called “Temple Mount”.

Synagogue
A synagogue (from , transliterated synagogē, “assembly”; beit knesset, “house of assembly”; or beit tefila, “house of prayer”, shul; , esnoga) is a Jewish house of worship.
Synagogues usually have a large hall for prayer (the main sanctuary), smaller rooms for study, and sometimes a social hall and offices. Some have a separate room for Torah study, called the Beit midrash - בית מדרש (“House of Study”).
Many Orthodox and Conservative Jews in English-speaking countries use the Yiddish term “shul.” The use of “synagogue” is reserved for formal occasions. Spanish and Portuguese Jews call the synagogue an esnoga. Persian Jews and Karaite Jews use the term Kenesa, which is derived from Aramaic. Reform and Conservative congregations in the United States sometimes use the word “temple.”

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synagogue (f)
n. synagogue, congregation of Jews for the purpose of worship and religious instruction; building for Jewish worship and religious instruction

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Synagog
Synagog, Synagogue [from synagoge an assembly; translation of Hebrew khenesheth, Aramaic khenash a congregation] Originally a gathering of Jews for worship or religious instruction, but later applied to the building in which the gatherings were held. As a characteristic Jewish institution, the synagog rose to prominence after the reforms instituted by Ezra, for the gatherings were the means whereby the populace received instruction, especially in the reading of the law on every Sabbath. The rites on Sabbath morning as outlined in the Mishnah consisted of readings from the Old Testament (particularly from Deuteronomy and Numbers), followed by prayer, then the lessons from the law and the prophets, a sermon thereon, and finally the blessing.
The building was generally, in accordance with ancient mystery-habits, situated near a body of water and orientated from north to south, the synagog having three doors to the south; the interior was divided by columns into a nave and two aisles.

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Synagogue
(Gr. sunagoge, i.e., “an assembly”), found only once in the Authorized Version of Ps. 74:8, where the margin of Revised Version has “places of assembly,” which is probably correct; for while the origin of synagogues is unknown, it may well be supposed that buildings or tents for the accommodation of worshippers may have existed in the land from an early time, and thus the system of synagogues would be gradually developed. Some, however, are of opinion that it was specially during the Babylonian captivity that the system of synagogue worship, if not actually introduced, was at least reorganized on a systematic plan (Ezek. 8:1; 14:1). The exiles gathered together for the reading of the law and the prophets as they had opportunity, and after their return synagogues were established all over the land (Ezra 8:15; Neh. 8:2). In after years, when the Jews were dispersed abroad, wherever they went they erected synagogues and kept up the stated services of worship (Acts 9:20; 13:5; 17:1; 17:17; 18:4). The form and internal arrangements of the synagogue would greatly depend on the wealth of the Jews who erected it, and on the place where it was built. “Yet there are certain traditional pecularities which have doubtless united together by a common resemblance the Jewish synagogues of all ages and countries. The arrangements for the women’s place in a separate gallery or behind a partition of lattice-work; the desk in the centre, where the reader, like Ezra in ancient days, from his ‘pulpit of wood,’ may ‘open the book in the sight of all of people and read in the book of the law of God distinctly, and give the sense, and cause them to understand the reading’ (Neh. 8:4, 8); the carefully closed ark on the side of the building nearest to Jerusalem, for the preservation of the rolls or manuscripts of the law; the seats all round the building, whence ‘the eyes of all them that are in the synagogue’ may ‘be fastened’ on him who speaks (Luke 4:20); the ‘chief seats’ (Matt. 23:6) which were appropriated to the ‘ruler’ or ‘rulers’ of the synagogue, according as its organization may have been more or less complete;”, these were features common to all the synagogues. Where perfected into a system, the services of the synagogue, which were at the same hours as those of the temple, consisted, (1) of prayer, which formed a kind of liturgy, there were in all eighteen prayers; (2) the reading of the Scriptures in certain definite portions; and (3) the exposition of the portions read. (See Luke 4:15, 22; Acts 13:14.) The synagogue was also sometimes used as a court of judicature, in which the rulers presided (Matt. 10:17; Mark 5:22; Luke 12:11; 21:12; Acts 13:15; 22:19); also as public schools. The establishment of synagogues wherever the Jews were found in sufficient numbers helped greatly to keep alive Israel’s hope of the coming of the Messiah, and to prepare the way for the spread of the gospel in other lands. The worship of the Christian Church was afterwards modelled after that of the synagogue. Christ and his disciples frequently taught in the synagogues (Matt. 13:54; Mark 6:2; John 18:20; Acts 13:5, 15, 44; 14:1; 17:2-4, 10, 17; 18:4, 26; 19:8). To be “put out of the synagogue,” a phrase used by John (9:22; 12:42; 16:2), means to be excommunicated.

Concise Oxford English Dictionary

synagogue
■ noun a building where a Jewish assembly or congregation meets for religious observance and instruction. :arrow_forward:such an assembly or congregation.

Cloister
A cloister (from Latin claustrum) is a part of cathedral, monastic and abbey architecture. A cloister consists usually of four corridors, with a courtyard or garth in the middle. It is intended to be both covered from the rain, but open to the air. The attachment of a cloister to a Cathedral church usually indicates that it is (or was once) a monastic foundation.

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church
n. building in which Christians meet to worship; public worship; members of a religious denomination; denomination; leaders of a religious body; organized religion
v. take to church; conduct a special service (in thanks for the safe delivery of a child)

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Church
A church is an association of people who share a particular belief system. The term church originated from Greek “κυριακή” - “kyriake”, meaning “of the lord”. The term later began to replace the Greek ekklesia and basilica within Christendom, c. AD 300, though it was used by Christians before that time.

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church
■ noun
a building used for public Christian worship.
(Church) a particular Christian organization with its own distinctive doctrines.
institutionalized religion as a political or social force: the separation of church and state.
■ verb archaic take (a woman who has recently given birth) to church for a service of thanksgiving.

You know, I’m always amazed at how much stuff I manage to cram under my sofa. Just sayin’.

(If I take Jerusalem, do I get the sushi place too? I like sushi!)

I mean, I know that some Islamic traditions place an emphasis on rote memorization, but come on:slight_smile:

Abisafyan, it might be easier to read your posts if you adhered to a couple of the Dope’s conventions for Great Debate Threads:

1.) Try to post more concisely. Sometimes it’s necessary to speak at length, of course - but you can put a lot of argument into one or two paragraphs, especially if you:

2.) Focus upon the remarks made by other posters, and respond to them. You can use the QUOTE tag to extract remarks from other posters,

and this makes it easier for people to understand which points you’re responding to. It also makes it less likely you’ll end up posting giant walls-of-text, since copying-and-pasting from a dictionary is not really responsive to more actual comments you’re likely to get.

/Not a mod, but feeling helpful

Oh, man - I just reazlied what the OP reminds me of. My junior year of college, we had a local imam come in to give a lecture on the history of Islam, religious tolerance, and so on. Good, useful, praiseworthy stuff, and I appreciate the fellow taking time out of his day to do it.

But good grief - the entire lecture consisted of overhead transparencies (remember those?), loaded with giant blocks of text and read verbatim. Painful.

Hey, you ripped that idea off from me! :stuck_out_tongue:

God is immune to radiation, so let Him have the place to Himself.

Thanks, for tolerating me & my lenghty posts, you all are cool, cooperative & accomodative honorable members.
You know posts are supposedly written for those who have no or little command over history, so, I want to deal such topics exhaustively…anyhow I am v v grateful.
I will try to respect the rules.

Perhaps the only realistic way to settle the argument over who gets land based on what God wanted and who was there first, is for one side to perfect its time travel and Terminator technology.

Go back to key times of settlement and whoever got the Revealed Truth about their deity’s preferences, eliminate that person(s) in favor of the opposition and the present-day conflict is magically resolved.

The time machine part is tough, but Arnold should have a bunch of free time soon and conceivably could still handle the Terminator job.