In terms of population, Alberta as the 51st US state would rank just about exactly in the middle of US states. #24 or 25 or 26 depending on who’s counting what when. Which would give it 6 seats in the US House of Representatives if we were adding seats. Since US law requires a fixed number (435), adding a state will necessarily trigger a re-apportionment and once redivided per the prescribed formula 51 ways, not 50, that 6 might turn into 5. Or not; we can’t say. But it’ll be one or the other for sure.
Wiki informs me that Alberta has not quite 11% of the Canadian House of Parliament seats. As opposed to 6 of 435 ~= 1.4% of the newly modified US House. On the Senate side, Alberta has 5.7% of Canadian Senate seats. And would enjoy 2 of 102 = 1.9% representation in the newly modified US Senate.
Their raw voting power at the Federal level would be between 1/3rd and 1/10th of what they enjoy today. Seems like such a winning plan.
Of course the separatists’ real “thinking”, such as it is, that the USA is a hotbed of reactionary racist and commerce-driven ideology, much to their political liking and as such they’ll be making common cause with half to 2/3rds of the existing USA. Unlike in Canada where they’re the lone black sheep crying into the void; ignored and unappreciated, despite being right in all things.
In this, they’re perhaps not too far wrong. Right now. The US pendulum may, may, take a hard swing the other way soon.
That’s because it is not reality based. It is emotionally based, fueled by grievance politics and outright fabrications that Alberta politicians have been pushing for years.
The logical flip-flopping is patently evident in the garbage that the separatists are pushing. It’s the old “baffle them with bullshit” technique.
And that is IF they become a fully recognized state. Which they wouldn’t. (Ask Puerto Rico how that’s going for them). Which would mean all resources would be under the direct control of the federal government in DC, rather than under provincial control.
But… Expect to hear that “oh, we have no plans to join the USA, just ignore all those american flags at our rallys and the people there wanting to join the USA. We just went to the USA to ask for a 500 billion dollar loan. That will be given to us with no conditions, because they Americans like us, and their government will not change and Trump always honours his agreements. And also, when we are a country we can just get a pipeline pushed through BC because they will have to do it because reasons. So we’ll all have more money and no taxes and the USA will be our best pals.”
PR is an interesting case. Which I left out of my prior post for clarity and conscision.
In a MAGA-free future USA, admitting PR would probably be the political price of admitting AB, both as full fledged states.
Conversely …
In a Fascist White Supremacist future USA, Congress and voting power there is simply irrelevant. The Feds will nationalize control over whatever assets they want and ignore whatever obligations they choose to ignore. Whether the current owner of those assets or obligations is AB, TX, or CA.
But they sure as hell might like to admit AB. And certainly would like to jettison PR into the void of independent nationhood.
That’s the problem with Alberta separatists; they can’t even agree among themselves. Half want to become an independent country, while the other half want to join the USA. A clusterfuck if there ever was one. Pretty hard to make a clear question on a referendum that includes both of those options.
Let’s rewrite, “we should apply in the case of orcenio’. You think any decision derived from that includes your opinion or choice? Who do you object to? Where’s your veto?
That’s the problem with Canada. Half want the Liberals, half want the Conservatives. A clusterfuck if there ever was one.
Luckily, in the case of people who want independence, it is pretty clear that we want an independent Alberta and are not looking to exchange Ottawa with Washington. Would some prefer to join the US? Yes. But notice that isn’t on the petition and if a referendum is held, it will be that question being asked, not one to join the US. But again, keep on pulling shit out of your ass about why people would vote to leave the paradise of Canada, it only helps.
My ass? It’s you who makes shit up at every opportunity. Better do some research, Uzi. Jeffrey Rath, who is leading this petition for a referendum, is ABSOLUTELY wanting to join the US, to the tune of about $500 billion in US financing for the cause. Pull your head out of your own ass for a change.
Meh. I saw a survey recently (and don’t ask me by whom, I don’t remember, maybe CTV, but don’t quote me) that said about 75% of current Albertans who oppose independence, would leave Alberta if it voted for Independence, or US Statehood.
I’d be one such. Hey, @Northern_Piper , do you have a job for me in your location?
“Do you agree that the province of Alberta should cease to be a part of Canada to become an independent state?"
Anything about joining the US in that question? Rath himself has said he has no desire to join the US. So keep on spreading misinformation. Heaven forbid you’d actually take the time to understand why so many people would vote to leave when it is easier to just demonize them and misrepresent their motives.
I’m quite confident that an independent Alberta would not be given any opportunity to join the US.
Rather, they would be taken as a territory, given no representation in government, and be forced to hand over all of their oil and mineral resources to the US federal government.
And just for clarity, here is the wording from the SUCCESSFUL petition which was certified by Elections Alberta Dec 1, 2025 with 404,293 verified signatures:
“Do you agree that Alberta should remain in Canada?”
As this petition was deemed successful, THIS is the question that the legislature needs to vote on OR needs to put to a referendum to the Alberta electorate.
The second (separation) petition is just redundant.
Both of you - I’ve had to ask you to dial back the personal insults repeatedly in the “How’s Carney doing, Canada?” thread, and both of the above are completely inappropriate for P&E. Here is a clear moderator instruction to both of you to cut out the personal insults. Since you’ve now been noted in two threads repeatedly on this, the next step is a Warning. I’m only refraining because it’s the first time I’m warning you here, but given the obviousness of the attacks above, you’re both way over the line. Again, attack the POST, not the poster.
@Uzi, please be especially mindful since you were already instructed by @What_Exit in this thread to avoid personal attacks.
Again, just presenting what is currently happening in the world, with the President of the US saying he wants to make Canada the 51st state, promising economic coercion to do so, and with a Congress that is either in support of this idea, or too cowardly to stop him.
This is presenting factual information. If you find that “fearful”, well good on you.
You are being disingenuous. Why would you post it if you didn’t believe it was likely to happen as a result of alberta achieving independence? You also posted what you believe is the worst possible outcome, not being a state, but being made to comply as a territory. I guess forgetting while posting that Canada has its own territories. But whatever, these sound like your fears. Most people understand that if trump wanted that he could do it to Canada, or parts of Canada, right now. Tell me what is preventing that that Alberta wouldn’t have when independent?
Yes. The word “state.” I know what is meant, but it would be better if it was “nation” or “country” rather than “state.”
We’ve heard so much from Trump about Canada becoming the 51st state, that I consider the word “state” in reference to any part of Canada, and especially to Alberta, to be an insult.