Alcoholic, Compulsive Liar, Womanizing Man for a Life Partner and not able to leave.

I’m in a relationship I know I should leave, but can’t. I’m not able to figure out why either. The guy I’ve been with for the last four or five years has destroyed my life. I guess I should say, I’ve allowed him to destroy my life.

He’s run my children off, forced me to quit my job, destroyed my credit, and what self-esteem I had mustered in divorcing my first husband. (I didn’t meet this guy until a year after my divorce.)

He’s an alcoholic, a control freak, a compulsive liar, and has (sorry for crued language, but it’s fitting) a way-ward dick. As in all abusive relationships, he, the abuser, apologizes and swears he’ll never do this or that agian. When I reply, ‘That’s what you said the last time’, I’m told we will not discuss the past, but only the present.

I’m hooked on this guy, and I don’t know why. I’ve kicked him out more than a dozen times over the length of our relationship, but DA that I am, I let him back in every time and I can’t figure out that one either.

I don’t have the money for counseling. I understand if I was completely okay with me, I’d be able to walk away and not look back.

I don’t know what to do.

This relationship and the stress it creates for me, is now effecting my health.

I need someone to talk to.

HNG… I have been there… If ya wanna talk I have listed my E-mail addy…

Hey, sweetheart - you’ve done a hard thing (maybe the hardest thing) by talking it out. I am not a good advice giver, but I know when someone is moving forward. There are a lot of people here who will have knowledge to give you, from experience or from other education.

Hang in there, people will be along right away.

Bless you.

Have you tried calling the United Way to see if they have any free Co-dependants programs you can go to? Or, go to one of those meetings for SO’s of alcoholics. You can easily apply what they teach to your situation, and perhaps get ahold of your life before he completely destroys you. Best of luck. {{HNG}}

Count me as another one who’s been there…done that. My first husband was terrible. Seems to me you’ve taken the first step by bringing it to the board and you made a comment that spoke volumes when you said you’d “allowed him to destroy my life”.

Yes, you are allowing him, but you probably are also taking responsiblity for things you don’t have to. It’ll take getting away from the situation and rebuilding your life to sort through what you are responsible for and what you’re not.

They have battered wives shelters availble in most areas of the US. I’m sure you’d qualify. You need to get away from him and put things into perspective.

And the sooner the better.

Drop me a line if you’d like to. I’d be happy to listen or whatever.

At the risk of sounding like I’m giving you a trite answer, what I’m going to say to you is also the truth - when you get sick and tired enough of feeling sick and tired of this crap, you’ll leave. It takes some people 2 hours, others don’t do it in 50 years.

You’ll get heaps of good suggestions here of organisations to contact if you want to leave but you’re feeling too scared.

You’ll make this decision - and act on it - in your own time. In the mean time, my major question is “what are you doing to keep yourself safe?” There are plenty of people - women and men, alike - who will be more than willing to listen to you when you “just want to talk”, but you can’t talk to us unless you are physically safe. How can we help you ensure your physical safety (please bear in mind this is a large community and we can probably come up with contacts in any state of the union within 5 minutes)?

a possible resource for you would be al-anon. you can meet people in similar situations, receive guidance, and make friends. they usually have meetings along side AA meetings.

I’m assuming from your OP that you might not have the freedom to go wherever you want, whenever you want, without it causing a confrontation in your household (BTW, if you don’t know how to hide your online movements, then ask us NOW and we’ll tell you - controlling people tend to think that pretty much ANYTHING is their business, including posts such as the one with which you started this thread).

If you give me 5 minutes, I’ll hunt up the details for Al-Anon online. Like AA, they have newsgroups and IRC channels for those people who cannot physically attend meetings.

Hard_Knocks, I look forward to the day that I can call you “Graduate.”

I would start with working on self-esteem. You already know where you need to be –out of the relationship! But who do you want to be when you are free from the hook? What will it take for you to respect yourself enough?

Do you have access to a women’s group? You may need someone to help you see have valuable you really are. (And I don’t want to slight men friends either.)

In the meantime, the book which nourished my self-esteem was Revolution from Within. It is about Gloria Steinem’s battle with her own lack of self esteem. I read it with a highlighter within easy reach. And every now and then I go back and read the highlighted parts.

Also – and this may not be your problem at all – but sometimes people with clinical depression feel the same hopelessness and inertia that you seem to feel. It could be that medication would restore some of your connection with your own strength. But it might take as long as six weeks before you see a real change. Your regular physician could prescribe it.

Have you set money aside? Do you have family that you can turn to?

I’m glad that you have come here. You are among friends. My email address is also available to you. Just click on “email” at the end of this post.

You are stronger than you know.

Many many years ago I had a roommate named Jim.

Jim and I were talking one day and I told him I was having trouble staying in a relationship with a woman, and I couldn’t figure out what I was doing wrong.

Jim asked: “Do you beat her?”

WHAT?!?!?!?!

He continued, “Women enjoy being beaten. After you smack them around a little bit, they may leave for a while, but they always return. Smack them around once in a while, and that’s the secret to keeping a woman.”

I’m happy to report that I have never taken Jim’s advice in the ensuing years. I bring this up to illustrate that Jim has been proven right on several occasions in my dating life.

I would date a woman who had been in an abusive relationship, and we discussed it at length. And with one notable exception (see cadolphin’s response above), the woman always went back to the abuser.

My response to HNG from the male point of view is as follows:

Break the Cycle NOW! It’s guys like Jim that must be proven WRONG!

The sooner the better.

Hard_Knocks_Grad

I hope you are safe. As for leaving this abusive relationship -

Would it help to think of it as a temporary separation? From what you have written, it seems that this is a relationship that should end permanently. However, initially you could consider the possibility that you can always “go back”. Once you have a chance to get away from the relationship for a time, you will be able to think more clearly and make better decisions. In the short term, get away. Your safety and mental health should be your number one priority. Take action. Leave and rebuild your life. Once you take this first difficult step, things will be better. Don’t lose hope in the possibility that your life can be normal and full of joy.
My thoughts are with you. ACT NOW.

Okay, so I’m a Wanna Be Graduate, and I’m about to get windy.

The abuse I allow myself to be subjected to is emotional and psychological. Matter of fact, during a daily session of building things up (supposedly being positive) just to make the fall greater when he then undercuts me, he concludes with great pride by stating all the ways he is good for, and to me, as well as repeatiing, yet again, how this whole…whatever is going on at the moment…is all my fault, creation, delusion, impure logic, yadda, yadda and reminds me that he has NEVER hit a woman in his life. I do not fear for my physical safety. That’s just not his style. He knows words can make deeper, more lasting wounds. BTW this is only the second “relationship” I’ve had in life. I am over 35 years old, never beenemployed before five years ago and the guy I live with was my first boss. I was ‘let go’ from my job in October just days after I initiated a conversation with him, at home, in regards to my desire to go to college.

No, I can’t get him on any sexual harrassment or wrongful discharge issues in the work place. He’s been very careful this whole time in protecting himself in that respect. I’ve already talked to a lawyer about it.

And yes, my every move, word or action is subject to his scrutiny. He uses manipulation, emotional blackmail and down right dirty ‘punishments or paybacks’ for anything I’ve done or said that sits wrong with him. I know how to cover my tracks on line, so I have no worry there.

A link to Al-Anon on line would be great. I am a child of alcoholic parents, and yes my parents (and my ex-husband) are very much like the man I am now in a relationship with. I understand there is a cycle here. I understand I am returning to the “type” of people I am familiar with. That the sort of thing that attracts me in the first place are actually the tale-tell signs of the very type of people I’m trying to free myself of. That I need to identify those signs early in a relationship and thus be able to avoid repeating the same mistakes I’ve made so far in life. That’s a helluva lot harder than it sounds.

As for family I can turn to, they have turned their backs on me. When I announced, many years ago, that I was going to divorce my husband of 16 years (I was married at 15 and he was 24) my mother went on a malicious campaign to gain custody of my children, incorporating my sisters into the horrid ordeal. ~Here I want to mention, that I do not drink, nor do I have any addictive habits. I had been a stay at home mommy up to that point in my life. I was the baby-sitter for my sisters and the errand gal for the whole family. I was really into what I thought, at the time, to be supportive behavior towards the family as a whole.~ The long and the short of that is, my family and my ex-husband are best of buddies now, and I’m the ‘black sheep’. I quit trying to be a part of the family after about the first year of all the crazy stuff. Not one of them has returned any communication I have attempted. I’ve let go there and have moved on.

:smack: How screwed up can one person get? I’ve made mistakes. And a lot of ‘em. I’m tryin’ to get it right.

Since November I’ve had problems breathing. I’ve been through a gamut of medical tests and even discussed clinical depression with my doctor. Anxiety and stress are more probable at this stage. My doctor, and he’s great, says he doesn’t want to go with anti-depresents. That I need to have an “ass-hole-ectomy” and that, “as an asshole magnet, change my polarity and reject them rather than reel another one into my life,” and a lot of the problem will be cured. I agree.

My luggage, or the thing that is crippling me; as is typical of abusive relationships, the user waits till they have the victim reliant upon them before they begin to change. So, within the first year of this relationship, while things were “going good” and he was still hiding his alcoholism, I bought into the “goal” he created for us.

I was fortunate enough to have won the deed to my home through my divorce. (Note please, the man I live with has been married and divorced three times, been bankrupt once, [I didn’t know any of this until later] is two years older than my ex-husband and had nary a penny to his name when I met him and he has an annual income of $75,000., no property and no personal possession worth spitting at either) The “Goal for Us” was that we “do a little repair work” on my house then sell it to buy a new place for Us to live together in for the rest of our lives. Gee, what a wonderful dream.

In three weeks time my entire home was gutted. I mean no plumbing, wiring, or interior walls, absolutely gutted. There was a big garage sale just before this whre he sold just about every damn thing I owned (said it’d just be in the way and we could afford to buy nicer things later on when we got our new place, all the work would take less than a year) All the while, I was buying into his smooth talking ways. And since his trade is in building new homes, he convinced me of themoney we would save is HE were to do all the re-construction. Fool? You bet I was. He got me hook, line and spinal column.

It’s been YEARS since then. We sleep on a mattress on the floor. The bathroom was finished just last year, and it’s what they call a rough finish, I believe. We were using a portable camping potty, until then and bathing from buckets over the basement drain. A new 200 amp breaker box is "piggy backed to the old 100 amp box, but only three rooms have been wired. The framing for the interior walls is here, but no dry wall, there is no carpet, no kitchen, that’s just an empty space.

My ex-husband called Childrens Services on my for unsuitable housing about two years ago. My children live with their father, and I’m allowed weekend visitation again now that I have bathroom facilities.

He has controlled all the money from the begining. Allowing me a budgeted amount for spending on groceries and such. (Just like my first marriage). After being accused of “money mismanagement”, he had my access to his checking account (the place where I had been depositing all my paychecks, and it was his account to begin with)"adjusted’. Meaning, he removed all but $500 dollars out of the joint account and put it into a single account that I have no access to. He puts $500 a month in the “joint” account and leaves me little option on how to spend it, ie. gas for my car and what bills that will pay, as they’re all in my name.

I’ve let him back in every time I’d kicked him out, I believe because I wanted desperately to believe he would do as he said and fix things. I’ve spoken with several lawyers on this part, and am told without a written agreement, I can’t sue him for anything. He can just walk away unscathed.

I had a private investigator check him out recently (I borrowed $250 from my neighbor lady telling her I had to have repairs made to my car and I’d pay her back soon). The PI discovered two other women my “SO” had been involved with in the last ten years who had very similiar experiences with him. At least these women had the brains to stop him before he got beyond two rooms in their houses.

Been to a lawyer about that too, thought maybe I could get him on a civil suit, as a predator of some sort and was told there wasn’t enough evidence.

The real kick in the a** was one of the women the PI had contacted decided to seek out my “SO” afterwards and TOLD him what I had done. My “punishment” was that her reporting to him of MY betrayal of HIS trust resulted in the two of them re-kindling their love relationship for about three weeks. I locked him out of the house again. (This was on the 27th of December, 2002).

Then I’m left sitting in the decimated remains of all my bad decisions and choices, without any money, without a job, unable to make a mortgage payment or my car payment or even buy food. He came knocking on the door three days later telling me he feels really bad, we don’t have to have a relationship, just let him stay in the house and fix it up and he’ll move on. I won’t “owe” him anything, he’s being “generous” he has a “legal” claim to my property for “work preformed without pay” and he’s willing to make repairs and be gone with things being “even” between us. Same ole song.

Windy I am, as well as a fool.

Reprise wrote, I’m “feeling too scared”. You’re damn right I am!! I also can’t forgive myself for allowing things to, not just get this way, but to continue. I don’t see a way out.

What really grabbed me. What I hadn’t asked myself yet, were questions that Zoe presented.

Who do I want to be when I’m free from the hook?
I can’t see beyond the hook.

What will it take for me to respect myself enough?
Enough? Let’s try again. First I believe I need to work on forgiving myself. I have shame, remarkable profound shame. There’s desperation there too.

I’m looking for a job. My car is for sale because I can’t afford the payments on my own. I’ve had contractors to the house, gotten estimates on the cost of repairs (we’re talking 80-$102,000). I’ve had realtor’s here, the house “might” be able to sell as a “handimans heaven”, but the figures they give me, for and “as is sell”, are less than the mortgage, by tens of thousands.

I’m LOOKING for a way out. I’m willing to walk away from the only thing I have left of value, this property, and start from the rock bottom spot my own gullible, little girl beliefs got me into. I just don’t see a way. I’m horribly afraid of declaring bankruptcy. I’d have to “pay” for years and years for my mistakes, my foolishness, my stupidity. Bankruptcy would be my breaking point, and I know it.

I’m scared. I don’t know what to do.

I think you are “hooked” on him because he is a convenient scapegoat for everything that is wrong in your life.

How can someone force you to quit a job? Me thinks he rather suggested, encouraged, wanted you to quit. I’m sure he never threatened your life and held you at gun point to quit.

He’s run your children off? Are you that certain that everything with your children was perfect up until him?

He is convenient to have in your life… because you use him as a shield to avoid taking any personal respeonsibilty for the “wrongs” in your life. Everything that is wrong in your life, you simply chalk it up to HIM… and your addiction to him, instead of taking responsibilty for it yourself.

We don’t do this habitually UNLESS we are getting a payoff from it.
I can’t see any other payoff you are getting unless you are a true masochist.

why exactly? You don’t have much now, no? Is it more of a social stigma thing here? Could it be that you might find you would be better off if you did file for it? I do not know how the system works in the US, but can you look into it and obtain reliable information about what’s involved? Would you qualify for any state $ help?

Also, bear in mind that once you hit the bottom, the only way to go is back up. Don’t view it as hitting the bottom though: view it as a lifeline; as a way out, and with that viewpoint, it can only be a positive thing.

well, I can understand that, but at the end of the day, if it gets you out of the hell that you are currently in, then it’s a small price to pay, no? Further: in situations like this, the goal posts always move. You say it would be your breaking point: but would it really? Would him hitting you be worse, for example? What is your breaking point? Not seeing an end to it all and thinking about / planning suicide? Do you see?

Of course you are. I believe you do know what you want to do. You said it yourself: you want out.

As reprise said:

That will be your breaking point - when you are sick and tired of feeling sick and tired. Who cares if you walk out the door with only what you stand up in?

Once you decide, you have tostick to your convictions, which means not going back to him; not allowing him to manipulate you further. If support is offered to you, grab it with both hands. It’s much harder to do it without, believe me.

Best of luck to you.

Filing bankruptcy may be your saving grace. It would be a tremendous weight off your shoulders, and you could then turn your energies elsewhere. Yes, it is hard, but most things worth doing often are. Would filing also mean getting rid of the asshole? Would he leave and stay gone then?

Forgive yourself. We all make mistakes, some bigger than others. There is no shame in that. Steel your resolve and get things done. At least make a call to a bankruptcy lawyer, gather information. Go to an Al-Anon meeting, better yet, go to several different ones until you find a group you are comfortable with. They won’t judge you. They have all been there. Some are still there, looking for a way out just as you are. Make a list of the pros and cons. Now is your chance to start all over. Don’t let fear, especially fear of the unknown, beat you down anymore. You will come out of this trial by fire a better person, one who can hold her head up in public. One who is no longer ashamed. One who has control of her life. And just so you don’t think I am just some sanctimonious prig, yes, I have been there. I have had the controlling relationship, the bankruptcy, the shame.

Stay with us HKG, let us help you help yourself.

I’ll add my meager advice to the others.

You’ve identified the problem. You know the solution. The only thing that’s stopping you is fear of the unknown.

That’s always a big issue. Everyone is nervous about change. But there comes a time when you need to change or die. That’s scary; for most people, it’s even more scary than living in a hellish relationship. The the uncertainty is terrifying.

I’d say do what you know you should do – walk away. Don’t worry about “what if.” Face just the current challenges, not ones that may come up later. Don’t play “Yes, but” – agree with the advice given, but then give reasons why you can’t follow it. Follow it. Don’t concentrate on the obstacles – concentrate on your goal.

A clarification exercise: if you had just met the jerk today, and knew everything about him that you do now, would you live with him? I doubt it. Try to look past the time you’ve invested in this relationship to see it for it was. He’s right about one thing: think about the present, not the past, though make damn sure the present is one that doesn’t contain him.

What about the house, getting a job, etc.? Take each worry one at a time. Get away (the little “rekindling” should be grounds for divorce; use it).

Yup, you made a mistake. But blaming yourself gets you nowhere. You aren’t a horrible person because you made mistakes. Good people often make terrible mistakes. That’s nothing to be ashamed of.

Try this: stand up, and say out loud: “I screwed up.” Again. Again. It becomes easier each time. Get used to admitting it; people appreciate the honesty, and most sympathize – they’ve made their own mistakes, too, and know to some degree how embarassing it is.

You seem an intelligent woman. I’m sure you’ll find a way survive. FDR said it best: “The only thing you have to fear is fear itself.”

Next time he puts $500 in the joint account, take it out. All of it.

Get on a bus and leave town.

Find a women’s shelter.

Baby steps. Don’t think about the future…think about that first step…taking the $500 out. HKG you have serious problems, and they’re not all going to solved at once. The first thing you have to do is get out. Get out now. The rest can be dealt with later. But get out, get away from him, and start finding yourself again.

(Funny, I just finished reading Rose Madder too, a Stephen King book about a woman leaving an abusive relationship. She put up with it for 14 years, then left on a whim.)

Ask yourself…do you want to live like this for another 14 years? Or are you going to take that first step? That’s the hardest one, sweetie, but then you’ll find strength you’ll never know you had.

PLEASE get out, get far away, and start over. You have no place to go but up.

From one very nice, very gullible person who thinks people mean what they say and have found out the hard way that I’m being taken advantage of on more than one occasion, you deserve better. You deserve better from yourself. When you get up in the morning, tell yourself how much you love yourself. Before you even open your eyes tell yourself that you are strong, not “to be strong,” but “are strong.” Use the present tense, even if you don’t feel it’s true. When you’re feeling down, instead of telling yourself how stupid you’ve been, tell yourself how wonderful you are. That is the way to begin healing your life. Once you know not to abuse yourself, then you won’t allow others to do it either. It’s a difficult road, but I can tell you that it is life-changing.

  1. You’ve been paying for your mistakes/foolishness/stupidity for a while now.

  2. How would it break you, exactly?

This is a book I still use a lot. It’s called You Can Heal Your Life by Louise L. Hay. This is the first time I’ve ever tried to post a link, so here’s hoping.

www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/102-9776840-7472913