All conservatives on the "there's nothing to this Russia thing" train, come on down. (Shodan)

Donald, of House Harkonnen, worst of his name…is perfectly capable of thinking that all that Russian money came from canny investors who know real genius when they see it. Maybe their backgrounds have some shadows, but that just shows that they are men of the world, they see things as they are, hard-nosed and sharp like he is. He likely sees himself as sorta kinda innocent. Hence, persecuted.

Course, I’m a relatively sane and intelligent person speculating on the thoughts of a man with a mind like a pinball machine, all bells, whistles and bumpers.

elucidator, you’re the master of one-liners.
I’m stealing this one. :slight_smile:

As am I
Eta: stealing that, I mean. Not master of the one-liners.

I note your rabid lust for war for with Russia.

I should really start keeping track of you guys. While Trump has been heroic in his defiance of sanction enforcement, I doubt he will hold out. I was considering US war policy in Syria as the key provocation.

Sanctions are used as a tool for political destabilization. Not a good look in a country with so many nuclear weapons.

How can you tell when a conservative is lying? When they claim they didn’t vote for Trump.

I would have said “when their lips are moving.”

How is Trump being “heroic” by refusing to enforce sanctions that he himself signed into law?

It is a bold stand against the warmongers. It is not safe to be anti war. Especially anti war with Russia.

Of course when I say “Trump”, I’m talking about his administration which appears to have different decision makers without a coherent policy. The person who decided not to enforce sanctions is heroic, while the person who decided Trump would sign the bill was acting with political considerations or is a plain warmonger (probably a general).

You are fucking crazy. And not in a cool, screaming at pigeons and sidewalks kind of way.

And you’re a coward who wants other people to murder people you’ll never meet because Democracy.

WillFarnaby!

Not really. I just live in a world where President Snowflake Bonespurs is, in no definition, a hero.

Do I think that we should be killing large groups of people? No. But we also shouldn’t be listening to a PotUS that lets Putin piss on his leg, and comment on how refreshing that rainstorm is.

This could be the silliest thing I’ve ever read on this board. Kudos to you!

So the U.S. sanctions against apartheid South Africa in the 1980s and early 1990s were part of a U.S. lust for war with South Africa?

And by your logic, Trump should immediately refuse to enforce all U.S. sanctions against North Korea, since like Russia, they too have nuclear weapons. Except Trump wants to double-down on sanctions and he seems to believe that a “bloody nose strike” against North Korea somehow won’t spiral out of control into total war. So much so that he withdrew his pick for ambassador to South Korea for daring to recognize the inherent unreasonable risk of escalation such a “bloody nose strike” would create.

We’ve always been friends with Eastasia.

I have been reading his posts for nearly two decades now, and I’ve seen signs neither of reason nor intelligence. The board has a good handful of reasonable, intelligent conservatives–Bricker, Sam Stone, HurricaneDitka, Ultravires, Velocity, and others bring something substantive to conversations, even when I disagree vehemently with them.

Shodan? He engages in snarky one-liners that demonstrate a thorough lack of understanding of issues (go read the thread about education that UrbanRedneck started to see a hilariously inept response to litcrit). He never, NEVER contributes substance to a debate.

I mean, if your standard of “reasonably intelligent” is “smarter than Clothahump,” then Shodan passes that test. But so does my laundry basket.

There’s plenty of competition for the award. I offer the following:

An op-ed in today’s Wall St. Journal by historian/author David Garrow compares the FBI’s investigation of Carter Page (in connection with the Steele dossier) with the FBI’s investigation of Martin Luther King advisor Stanley Levison for allegedly being a Soviet agent (back when J. Edgar Hoover was trying to prove that King was a dangerous Commie).

So there you have it - going after Page in a purported attempt to get the goods on Trump is the same as targeting Levison to bring down Martin Luther King. Trump = MLK.

We live in increasingly demented times.

I didn’t say we should be “listening” to Trump. I’m fact, I even explained that it probably wasn’t Trump but someone else in his administration that was heroically advising against enforcing sanctions.

I understand you need a tough guy as president so you can also feel like a tough guy, that’s just not how I get off.

We know how you get off dude, fapping to Rush Limbaugh.

No they were tools for political destabilization.

Trump is very dangerous on NK. I can only hope things do not get worse on that front. Yes, sanctions on NK should be ended.