I was anticipating foaming, assuming that that the Zimmerman-lovers were exactly the fools, asses, and bigots I guessed they might be.
But I also felt the need to just call a bigot a bigot openly, and you can’t do that in Great Debates. So here I am, calling bigots bigots, racists racists, etc..
These guys aren’t going to change their minds. At least I can, here, let them know what they are (for the few that don’t really know yet ), and that I KNOW what they are (for the majority who already know what they are). Or whatever.
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Hmm, so you are forming you’re “aren’t exactly known for…” opinion, which is stated to read as if it’s common knowledge, based on the opinions of a handful of people? :dubious:
And there are probably a few people descended from both Nazis and Jews-who-died-in-concentration-camps. For that matter, there are definitely some people who are part-Arab, part-Jew. What’s your point?
You mystify me, though. Why would you think I would supplant my experience-based opinion (secondhand, but from multiple unconnected sources) with the not-even-supported-by-ANYTHING opinion that you are selling?
Just how easily-led do you believe me to be, internet troll?
I don’t know, how does that work? Is this some bullshit, pedantic nitpick about some tiny fraction of black people who come from a hispanic culture? No one cares. We are talking about appearance.
Just to further prove my point, here’s a quote from that link:
“…In June a Gallup poll showed that black Democrats were evenly divided between Mr Obama and Hillary Clinton, while whites gave Mrs Clinton a 16-point lead. Among Hispanics, however, the senator from New York led by a crushing 46 points—despite Mr Obama’s impeccably liberal line on immigration…”
What’s up with that? That bespeaks a serious hate among Hispanics of Obama. I wonder what that’s about…oh wait…
It is not a tiny fraction. And “talking about appearance” is part of the reason a lot of people believe it to be a tiny fraction.
So is it your contention that Hispanics discriminate against Blacks to a greater degree/frequency than Whites discriminate against Blacks, or vice versa?
Go back and read what I said, if you think I was saying something else.
I re-read what you said. You said there’s no more enmity between blacks and hispanics than between any other groups. I’d say those poll numbers proved otherwise, though.
You can call me an idiot. I probably am one. You’re the bigger one, though, for siding with Bricker and the cowboys.
I’ve often disagreed with Bricker on both the substance of issues and the manner in which he debates issues. But I’ve never felt there was any evidence of bigotry in anything he’s posted.
That’s limited to the U.S. population, not that I believe the accuracy of those numbers, anyway.
But whatever, we’re straying far afield from the topic of what an idiot the OP is.
And that doesn’t really contradict what I said.
No, they didn’t. If you weren’t such an idiot, you might understand how glaringly obvious it is that mixing politics into it would MAJORLY skew the numbers. HINT: Most racist White people wouldn’t be voting for a Democrat in the first place.
As further proof of your idiocy, you assume I’m on Bricker’s “side”* of the Zimmerman/Martin case. HINT: You might want to read what I’ve written on that topic before you decide what side of it I’m on.
I wrote “side” in quotes because, as near as I can tell, Bricker doesn’t have a side in that debate other than “whatever is legal is right” or somewhere thereabouts.
There were way more than 5 calls to “911” (they were mostly to non-emergency number, including the last one) that Zimmerman made, and they definitely were not all about suspicious black people. I remember there were suspicious whites and suspicious Hispanics. Don’t think there were any suspicious Asians though. Maybe Zimmerman is a secret Asian supremacist.
Um, yes? You just got through admitting that minorities can be racist. That’s the only way calling Bricker racist makes sense, seeing as he’s (El) Salvadoran. The black people you are talking about are disparaging Hispanic people as a race.
And, while I’m a bit P.O.'d at the man right now for going around rubbing people’s faces in the Walker win, Bricker has never said or done anything that would make me think he is racist. He has, as far as I can tell, two flaws: overlegalizing things–and he’s getting better at that–and a bit of blindness when his political party doctrine contradicts compassion/Christianity–and he’s a lot better than most in that.
There are racists on this board, but Bricker is not amongst them at all. He’s a decent guy who just happens to be wrong about a few things.
It’s not even quite that, as he’s come down pretty hard on the Stand Your Ground law. And he believes the prosecutor must have some strong evidence against Zimmerman, or else they would have dropped charges. So he’s actually slightly on the anti-Zimmerman side.
And he pretty much convinced me to be there, too, though I came from the opposite direction.
The one person I think might have needed to be pitted for his pro-Zimmerman stance was magiver (sp?), and, even then, it’s only because he acts like he’s being neutral while clearly taking the Zimmerman side, using a few disclaimers to try to appear neutral. I honestly don’t have a problem with his side.
I’m on the side of people being allowed to defend themselves against vicious, unprovoked attacks without being effectively tried and convicted by the media, and also on the side of people being allowed to call the police on people fitting the profile of suspected criminals without being criticised for it.
While we’re at it, I’m on the side of people being judged on the actual evidence, not on vague feelings people have about “what must have happened”, and applying the actual laws whether you agree with them or not.
On the latter two situations, that puts me firmly on Zimmerman’s side, and I think anyone who disagrees is far more dangerous than any individual murderer, as they put everyone at risk by ignoring the process of law. As for the first, it will depend if his story holds up.