Always late to the party: I just watched Carnivale Season 1!

In my month off between classes, I joined Blockbuster Online and have been familiarizing myself with some of the outstanding long-form dramas from premium cable that I missed out on in recent years. I started a thread about how much I loved Deadwood, and since then, I’ve enjoyed the hell out of the first seasons of Dexter and Carnivale. Since Dexter is still on (and I haven’t seen any of Season 2 yet), I wanted to talk about Carnivale a little here, mostly because there didn’t seem to be any Cafe Society threads about the first season.

But wow, what a season! I’ve always found carnivals, circuses, freak shows, and the like extremely unsettling, and as a result, I thought they made great settings for horror or fantasy stories. I also love the lesser-known parts of American history, the social history they don’t teach you in school with all the talk of wars and politics. This trip back to the seedy, sad Dust Bowl of the 1930s has been a fascinating one, and apparently the producers got all the details right. The production value on the show is incredible, and I don’t mind the relatively slow pacing because each episode felt like a movie unto itself.

I like the supernatural elements and the overarching mysteries a lot, and only hope Season 2 wraps them up in a satisfactory manner, with as few loose ends as possible. I certainly yelled “Oh fuck!” a lot after the semi-cliffhanger ending of Season 1. It’s clear that Ben Hawkins and Brother Justin are the avatars of good and evil, but for the most part, it hasn’t been completely clear who is who – and I like that uncertainty. Both have done some heroic things, and some pretty horrible ones as well.

As for Management, is he/she/it supposed to be a God figure? Samson did talk about how Management doesn’t think much of people, but enjoys moving them around like chess pieces. Hopefully we’ll learn more about Management’s motives in Season 2, and find out what side he/she/it is truly on. And where do the Knights Templar figure into everything? I hope we see more of Samson’s rival, the guy with the Templar ring who outwitted Ben (not that it took much) in hiring the Lobster Girl. (He is played by John Doe of seminal punk band X, which is super-cool.)

As for the other characters, I like Jonesy, who for the most part seems like a stand-up guy. I really like Stumpy (a great performance by Toby Huss) and Rita Sue, and I was glad to see them put their differences aside and try to make their marriage work at the end of Season 1. Cynthia Ettinger is hot as hell, and I don’t mind who knows it. I certainly hope to see more of her in Season 2, preferably dancing the cooch, bouncing around naked, and/or dripping wet again! Professor Lodz was a vicious, conniving bastard, but I actually hope we haven’t seen the last of him. It will piss me off if we never find out his background and motivations, and get more into his twisted mind.

As an aside, I was first attracted to this show because the concept reminded me of songs by Tom Waits, my favorite singer/songwriter, and the “mature readers” comic book series Preacher. One of Waits’ personas is “The Eyeball Kid,” a sleazy, world-weary, dust-covered carnival barker who has ridden the rails, traveled to the darkest alleys in all the land, laid down with whores, and shared drinks with freaks and weirdos that he met across the highways and byways of an America long since forgotten. When I heard about Brother Justin’s storyline, I immediately thought of Preacher, a horror/crime/western saga about a Texas preacher who could speak with the commanding voice of God, who embarked on a bloody quest to find God and take him to task for his sins against mankind. I think anyone who enjoyed Preacher would definitely dig the hell out of Carnivale, and vice versa.

This series is one that I’ve been contemplating checking out on DVD, as we don’t have HBO and I’m always late to the party, too. It’s nice to have a nice chunk of stuff to watch when the mood strikes. It’s on my list of “to watch”, so you aren’t the only one.

I watched season 1 on DVD and liked it. One of these days I’m going to start on season two. The writer’s strike is really helping me get through some of my backlog. I haven’t gotten to season two of Twin Peaks yet, either.

We have season 1 on DVD, I watched a few episodes and just can’t get into it. My wife likes it, though. I like the atmosphere, but there hasn’t really been a character that I latch onto. Also, I can’t help wondering if it is weird for weird’s sake, which I hate. Does it build to something, or does it just get stranger and stranger?

Yes.

“Every prophet in her house”. Woo-hoo! When I first met my boyfriend some 2 years ago, I was telling him about this fabulous series, and he bought it on DVD without watching an episode beforehand! We also have series 2 on disc and have to say that we loved it - absolutely loved it. It’s creepy, it’s macabre and kind of sexy too. The acting is flawless - enjoy!

Season One freaked me out beyond all freaked-outedness, especially the scene in the church with Brother Justin and Pa Walton – I had nightmares about that scene.

Season Two was disappointing to me but I enjoyed it nevertheless. I needed a better ending to the story, something HBO is notorious for.

The show seemed awfully slow-moving and almost aimless when I saw it on HBO (I felt it was a season’s worth of story packed into two seasons). Maybe it’s better if you watch episodes back-to-back on DVD.

Don’t hold your breath waiting for the kid to put on a clean shirt.

I watched season 1 and didn’t have HBO by the time season 2 came out. I’ve read that while season 1 created the hint that there was going to be some great development and resolution to the story, they basically just strung it along until it died, with no satisfying ending of any sort. So I never bothered to see season 2. Is that accurate?

It’s too easy to give the impression that you know what you’re doing in terms of writing and give your audience the false hope of something great. Like Lost, for example - season 1 hints at a tightly-written, planned story that would develop and have a fascinating ending - but the reality is that they just gave the illusion and now are trying to string people along for as long as they can.

I can certainly understand people losing interest after seeing season 1, because it was painfully slow.
The second season was a lot faster and definitely has a tightly knit story.
Almost all of your questions will be answered in the second series.
There is a lot of resolution to the second season but also some cliffhangers to set up the next few seasons, which of course we will never get to see.
I absolutely loved this show and think it is the best show that has ever, yes ever, been created.

No, that isn’t accurate at all.
I agree that season 1 didn’t have a whole lot going on, storywise, and doesn’t really go anywhere.
Season 2 however really does set up a great universe with great characters and storylines.
If you liked season 1 even a little bit, you will probably enjoy season 2 a lot.

It was just the opposite for me. Season One was absolutely engaging to me. Everything was a puzzle and something to think about for an entire week. Season Two was entertaining but it lost some of its mystery it had previously.

Regardless of which season I liked better, Amy Madigan rocked in both of them!

It goes way downhill in the second season, IMHO - got the feeling that there was pressure for “something to happen” and the suck got turned on. Season 2 lost a lot of the magic they built up from season 1.

One of my favorite things about the show, which I absolutely loved, was that sweet, naive Tommy Dolan is probably better known to most as Theodore “T-Bag” Bagwell on Prison Break. The guy is so fabulous as T-Bag that it’s hard to believe he was Dolan.

It’s actually worse than that. The ‘straight dope’ of it was like this: Knauff came to HBO with the entire series as a 1-season thing. HBO loved it, and told him that he should extend it- draw it out for five seasons. So, there are some slow bits in the first two seasons. Then, as they were finishing up season 2, the plug got pulled by the folks at HBO. There are 3 more seasons of ‘story’ left that never got told… But it could’ve all been done in one season.

This being said… I loved the series. Loved it to death, never missed an episode, watched some of them multiple times. I pieced together a few pieces of the mythology, but not all of it, and… Well, without spoilers, if you cut out the last 5 minutes of season 2, it makes a decent series ending. Not a great one, but a decent one.

You were late to a crappy party that you’d have been better of skipping to stay home and watch something good on TV.

You get to see more of Management in season 2.

For the most part I enjoyed the show. I watched about half of it then bought both seasons on DVD, mostly so I could watch it all at once and not have to worry about renting them. I don’t know if I would watch them again, but I did enjoy how it was filmed, dark and slow. My wife didn’t like it because of that. On the DVDs they said they wanted to film a movie to end it, I hope they do to wrap up some of the loose ends.

And of course, someone can’t resist the urge to crap all over a thread again.
Crawl back under your rock, please?

I really enjoyed Carnivale too - much more than I was expecting to. Sure the story took a long time to develop, but when things did happen they were extremely engaging. The acting was superb as were the production values - the scene in the mental home when the camera swings around Justin alone then pans around to show a room full of people, I’m still wondering how they did that. I loved the end of series 1 with whatshername suddenly taking a breath, electric!

I got the first disc of series 2 but wasn’t that enthralled by it but possibly wasn’t giving it enough of a chance. I would like to know how it ends (or at least what the silver medal ending is as it was intended to run longer), so maybe I’ll give it another go.

I was really glad I watched season one on DVD and not week-by-week on TV. The slooooow story development would have driven me nuts.

On DVD, and pre-knowing it ends a bit prematurely at season two, and watching eps back to back allows me to appreciate the art and ambience of it, and not dwell too much on the plot progression.