I’ve said it a thousand times and I’ll say it again, fact is stranger than fiction.
Oh no, a thread hijack!:eek:
The last bastion of a bunch of cowards who started attacking me, got more than they bargained for when I defended myself, they couldn’t beat me, so they get together with their fellow computer geek loser friends and gang up on the OP.
Why am I not suprised? Good, keep it up, at least this kind of activity keeps vermin like you off the streets. Frankly I’ve been bored with all of you for a while now.
SPOOFE, for you to attack my creativity with the elementary school slop YOU’VE been posting is a hypocritical laughfest! If I steal other peoples lines, at least I steal GOOD ones.
Oh, by the way I went too far when I said I wish you were dead, I apologize.
After all without people like you and Crunchy Frog in the world, who would serve me my burger and fries?
I have to say, I’m very disappointed. The Ultimate Scapegoat, you had some interesting material worthy of a good discussion in your OP, but it looks like your phrasing was a little too inflammatory. Too bad, because I was interested in debating the interesting points therein. Maybe you could try something similar in GD, and phrase it as a debate rather than an opinion.
thinksnow, your comments were very interesting. It sounds like you’ve made a good life for yourself, but you’re still aware of how the bottom could drop out for people like yourself (albeit, it could take awhile for you to really start to hurt financially), and it sounds like you appreciate the life you’ve made for yourself. I often think that Money Management and Budgeting 101 should be a mandatory course taught from grade school through high school. Maybe if people knew a little bit more about money management, they wouldn’t get themselves in such desperate situations.
I wasn’t attacking your creativity… just the uncreative flames. Heck, you can be a friggin’ Picasso clone for all I know.
Apology accepted. I don’t want to be dead. That’d be crimping my style.
Isin’t there some SDMB policy on trolls?
:sigh:
I told myself I wouldn’t do this, but:
Scapegoat I’m going to try to be reasonable with you. I have the feeling it will be like trying to reason with a rabid baboon, but still, here goes.
What is your point in being here and starting the OP? To the best of my knowledge you have a problem with that ONE family in that ONE linkn you provide and thereby judge everyone else by that. When asked for more evidence to back up the claims YOU made, you say you could, but you aren’t going to because apparently we aren’t worthy of your time. We’re supposed to just take you for your word? Your word means nothing here. Back up your statements.
If we are so unworthy of your time, go away.
If we are boring you - as you say - go away.
Every post you’ve made in this thread is full of your own self-importance and delusions. Nothing you’ve done here has been enlightening or educational. And what really kills me, is you think you’re winning these arguments. A hijack is not the last bastion of beaten people. It’s a way for the board members to show how tired they are of your shit and that you are no longer worthy of the time and effort. Your irritance factor has gone beyond annoying ignorance to just tiresome, hence the hijack. It is pointless to try to argue with you any longer, because you so obviously are getting off on the tempers you’re flaring, so we discuss things a little more entertaining than your posts.
You made a broad generalization, which, as I said before, is bigotry. Take your bigotry elsewhere.
Yes, we don’t out them in public forums.
I’m e-mailing the admins now.
You have got to be kidding, Frog. You and your friends got in too deep, and now you are going to call Mommy and Daddy to bail you out of the mess you made for yourself.
Hopefully, after reviewing the thread, the Admins will see the following sequence of events:
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Being the BBQ Pit, I posted my inflammatory opinion. Which would be okay, since this is not GD.
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I was attacked by another poster. I responded in kind. Others joined in and attacked me, and the thread started to degenerate into petty bickering.
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I offered to bail, since I really had no intentions going in of being caught in a flame war. The other posters started making fun of me, saying this is the BBQ Pit, and they are allowed to abuse me. Therefore, I reasoned, it is okay for me to defend myself- by any means necessary.
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The gloves came off. After a few good rounds, the other posters ran out of steam and resorted to elementary school type teasing. So, I refused to respond anymore, which brought even more of the same.
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Somehow, out of all this, even though I’m Custer surrounded by Indians, and my thread gets hijacked, and several posters curse and berate me, I AM ACCUSED OF BEING A TROLL.
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And so here we are now.
Now, Frog, at least you made a half-hearted attempt to be civil, so in that spirit, here is what I am going to do: I an going to restate my OP, with an ANALYSIS of the points I was trying to make, EVEN THOUGH this is a technique that should be reserved for GD.
See, I can’t win either way: I try to be civil, I’m told to take my argument to GD. I post and outrageous statement, and fight fire with fire, I’m a troll.
And I really shouldn’t be doing this either. I won’t win. The only reward I will get for my generosity is that I will be accused of 1 of 2 things:
- Backing down because “I know I’m wrong”
- Trying to play more mind games, or trying to kiss up to the SDMB admins.
Nonetheless, you have my pledge that I will keep things civil if everyone else does. If not . .
IT’S OPEN SEASON!!!
Check THIS article out:
http://mcall.com/html/pastdays/a_pg001a1_5laidoff.htm
I’ve had IT!!! This article is the personification of everything that is wrong with our soft, over privileged country!
*I based this opinion on several stories I have heard in the news AND talking to people who seem to have pretty good lives complaining about how little they have, or blowing their money and then blaming others when they go broke.
I’m sick of all you American wusses whining about big corporations laying off people . . and high gas prices . . .and rolling blackouts! If things are so bad . .
***Now, for this statement I was accused of being a bigot. How you can be bigoted against Americans, I’ll never know, unless your Osama Bin Laden.
But HERE is the point everyone who accused me of “generalizations” missed:
I said American WUSSES, NOT “Americans”. Therefore, my statement was directed at wusses who happened to be Americans. **
. . give up your SUVs, your expensive computers, your big screen TVs . . your boats . . .your cell phones . . .your vacations to Disney World . . rip up those credit cards . . cancel your satellite TV service . . .
and try this:
SAVE . . . . MONEY . . .!!!
***I don’t know if that’s the worst advice you can give in the world, is it? If you want to go ahead and piss away all of your money, be my guest. Don’t cry to me. **
This is a country where everyone thinks they are entitled to something.
*I have not met a single person in my life who at least ONCE in their lives did NOT say they were entitled to something. Even our Founding Fathers said we are entitled to life, happiness, etc… Somehow that has warped into welfare, fancy houses, the nicest clothes, etc etc. If you don’t believe me that this is the mindset of most Americans, just watch high rated TV shows for three hours.
Were entitled to cheap gas. No your not. Driving a car is a luxury. You will pay what the market bears.
*Simply a statement of laissez-faire free market capitalism. I guess you could make points that disagree. That’s why there socialism, capitalism, social capitalism, communism, national socialism., name it. There’s an economic theory for everyone.
Were entitled to keep our cushy, high paying jobs. Not if your company is losing money, your not.
*Again, a difference of opinion. If you feel that your company should not lay off workers to keep itself from going out of business, then be my guest. I however subscribe to the Al Dunlap theory of employment (though not necessarily his theory of accounting! ;))
Were entitled to cheap electricity. Not if you don’t help conserve!
*I refer to my free market statement above. If you want to know what free market capitalism is, use a search engine. Use less electricity, demand goes down, prices go down. I argued California, and that admittedly was a bad example. But you look at all the electronic devices we have going on in our houses, the computers, the DVD players, the PlayStations, these are the people who have no right to complain about electric bills!
Were entitled to government benefits. Not at the expense of me paying more damn taxes, your not!
to give more people more benefits, the government has to raise taxes. I object to my taxes being raised so people can get handouts. Not the most radical theory ever expressed here or anywhere else!
And this guy’s wife thinks that her husband is entitled to severance pay. For what? Working at the plant for 6 months? YEAH . . RIGHT, LADY!!!
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Severance pay should either be stated in a contract before employment or be given to workers who are leaving on good terms but have worked for the company a long time. For this woman to whine about this is ridiculous considering the length of her husband’s employment, and yes, that makes her
an American wus. And for her to complain how it was handled, well when is being laid off ever pleasant???*
That’s why the Presidential election sucked: George Bush and Al Gore were falling all over each other trying to give all the whiny, lazy Americans their handouts!
Let’s see . . we face a missile threat from rogue third world countries . . millions of Americans with AIDS, cancer and other diseases . . inner-city poverty and crime. But the most important issue for fat, lazy spoiled Americans?
WHERE’S MY GOODIES!!!
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I stand by my statement. You know what . .give me a few days and I’ll be more than happy to pull up an article backing this up. I’ll need a few days because I’ll have to go back to November to find one.*
Look, I feel badly for anyone that loses their job . . I’ve been down that road a couple times before! And I am not a total bastard- I feel for the emotional pain this family is going through.
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The fact that I have lost a couple of jobs and been down on my luck financially before I think gives me some credibility to criticize someone in the same situation. It’s not like I’m this rich boy sitting in an ivory tower looking down upon the peasants!*
But to call up a newspaper and try to elicit sympathy from me? Don’t waste my time.
Hey, if you didn’t but that $38,000 SUV, you’d probably have a few bucks in the bank until you got back on your feet!!!
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*Sorry, get a job, start blowing your money like there’s no tomorrow, and you get no tears from me, pal. At least next time maybe you’ll learn a lesson.
I think what it comes down to is this: my OP was a pep talk. Pep talks have rhetoric and inflammatory language at times, and yes generalizations in them. They are meant to stimulate emotions, which obviously this one did, and not necessarily stir debate. The message of my pep talk is simple:
If you lose your job, that unemployment check is late in the mail, and can’t afford gas, just remember that when you are on your cell phone sitting in your fancy car, there are a lot of other world places to live!
And plan for the future!
Okay there you have it. Start picking apart . . . . NOW!
**"That’s why the Presidential election sucked: George Bush and Al Gore were falling all over each other trying to give all the whiny, lazy Americans their handouts!
Let’s see . . we face a missile threat from rogue third world countries . . millions of Americans with AIDS, cancer and other diseases . . inner-city poverty and crime. But the most important issue for fat, lazy spoiled Americans?"**
Oh, and just for the record, this was an attack on fat, lazy people who happened to be Americans, NOT saying that all Americans are fat and lazy.
Please keep in mind that, even in the Pit, there are rules of conduct. You’ve been stomping on these rules since the first post.
Yeah, you were attacked… right after you slammed 250 million people. By your logic, you were ASKING for it, pal, and deserve everything you get.
Now you’re just lying. You’ve been BEGGING for a flaming since your first post.
And I imagine you think that your OP was the epitome of witty insults?
If it looks like a duck… etc.
Cry me a fucking river and call it “de nile”. Like I already said, if you want a legitimate debate, go start one. If you want to get a flaming… well, that’s exactly what you wanted, and that’s exactly what you got with this thread.
Maybe, someday, your balls will drop. Not today, but someday…
Whatever Scapegoat.
I’ve lost interest in anything you have to say. Think what you want of me about “crying to Mommy and Daddy.” Guess what, jerk-off, those are the rules here. If you have suspicions, email the mods and admins, so that’s what I did.
You know what, if it shuts you up, I’ll concede. Call it a victory if you want, toss some more insults about how I’ll be working a burger joint and how I’m so easy to punk. Claim superiority for being able to outlast me with this bullshit - just remember that just because you can tolerate your bullshit longer than I can doesn’t make your bullshit right. You just simply aren’t worth my time anymore.
As for this self-pitying crap:
You said yourself your OP was inflammatory. Instead of clarifying your post up front (the closest you got was some shit about how you weren’t referring to the blue-collar POOR people) you wait till now. And you refused to acknowledge that you made an unfair sweeping generalization, sticking to the assumption that you were right in claiming that most Americans are lazy whiners who want their hand-outs (oh, sorry, American WUSSES - now how exactly are we supposed to know the difference, especially since you don’t bring up that little piece of back-pedaling until just now?) You refuesed to listen to the idea that you need to back up your statements it you want to present it as a fact. You claim you have sites, but have provided diddly even after numerous requests.
I don’t care where you are on the message board, if you say something, be ready to back it up or shut it up. Whether arguing a point in Great Debates, or providing an answer in General Questionis, or claiming your mom had a third arm in MPSIMS. If you want to say something, be ready to back it up, or make sure other people know you’re jsut talking out of your ass. (Hence the abbreviation WAG, or sometimes a smilie will do.)
You claimed to have more research for your ‘educated guess’ as to the mind set of most Americans but refused to provide it even as you continued spewing forth your inflammatory remarks.
So save me your whiny self-pity about how you’re the victim here and how we dragged you into this. You could’ve stopped posting to this thread at any time pal. No one forced you to respond to our flames. You could’ve left like you said you were going to and left us to have our fun. You could’ve let this get hijacked, but you wanted to drag us all into it some more. Don’t play innocent, it just doesn’t wash.