There would have been nothing to run with if Zoe Quinn hadn’t abused her ex. Have you actually read the Zoe post? At no point does he call her anything demeaning (slut, whore etc.) nor does he equate her actions to women in general. All he does is expose his ex as a terrible person. What’s there that raises it to a misogynistic rant?
I haven’t read that post in years, but IIRC he complained about cheating and that was pretty much it. Cheating isn’t abuse. What does a TMI slut-shaming have to do with a woman coming forward to tell her story of her experiences of abuse?
Well I disagree with idea that the treatment of Gjoni by his ex wasn’t abuse. Beyond that, they’re both about a person exposing their ex on the internet and causing a shitstorm.
…Zoe Quinn didn’t abuse her ex. Stop spreading untruths.
Of course I’ve fucking read it. I’ve read every sentence, I read every single piece of “evidence” supplied on the blog post. I read it because at the time it was posted because it was exploding all-over-the-internet and I couldn’t figure out what any of what I was reading had to do with “ethics in games journalism.”
There is no “get out of jail free” card if you don’t use the word “slut or whore” in your misogynistic rant.
All he did was expose the fact that he was a terrible person.
Have you read it?
…except one (Dykstra’s) appears to be a genuine case of abuse, while Gjoni was a genuine case of shit-posting with the intent of causing harm. Gjoni played a part in hurting and destroying hundreds of women’s lives. There is no fucking comparision between Gjoni and Dykstra. None. At. All.
That baffles me too, honestly. You’ll notice that at no point in the Zoe post does he raise any question regarding games journalism ethics or imply that she got exposure for sleeping with “industry people.”
But there has to be something that classifies it as misogynistic. At no point does he equate his ex to all women nor is there any call to action against them. Shitposting about your ex is not misogynistic.
…I’m well aware of the contents of the Zoe Post. I’ve read it.
And there is.
Cite.
Neither of these are a requirement.
I’m glad you agree it was a shitpost. And if you can agree it was a shitpost, then you can agree that there is no comparison between a shitpost and what Dykstra wrote. So can we stop talking about this disgusting piece of filth already?
I am in a facebook group where people, like many, have found Hardwick unlikable before due to the perception he is a smarmy phony. It’s established he’s a recovering addict. One person brought up a legitimate reason involving an acquaintance having to do with employee benefits for why he potentially is of poor character.
Dozens weighed in and they all have besmirched Hardwick. Earlier today a few people revealed they shared a photo from a portion of a page from a book by him that gave advice to guys: that when going to these nerdy conventions you should strand your girlfriend in the hotel room since she wouldn’t like it there anyway, and when you get back make her do whatever you want in bed. It turned out they had been duped and they expressed feeling sorry this sort of thing could be detrimental to real victims and now one of these members is having to fend off incels. They are educated individuals who are still reassured in their belief Hardwick is an abuser based off what is still, one person’s word.
IF their experiences are real, they have my utmost sympathy. But if their experiences are false, then the accused has my utmost sympathy. Why do you automatically believe the accuser? You don’t think people lie? If anyone is judging someone here I’d say it’s you. I’d like to know more before I jump to a conclusion.
It’s like #MeToo never happened.
I believe the victim until I have reason not to. Guess what, that’s what happens with every single other kind of crime too - just because we don’t know who the perpetrator is by name most of the time, we assume the victim is telling the truth until more details come out.
This is not condemning the accused, it is believing the victim.
I’m torn - on the one hand, I absolutely believe what happened to her happened to her. On the other, she happily defends and works with a rapist, and currently dates another sex offender. So am not sure how much her obvious and ongoing hypocrisy colours my lack of sympathy for her. She wants us to have sympathy for her, but where’s *her *sympathy for Stoya and others?
The same person who says “When cameras were on us? He was a prince. Turn them off, he was a nightmare.” also said “I know the person James Deen is, and he’s not that person.”
I’m not saying she deserves what happened to her, or any shit like that. I’m just not going to spend a lot of time feeling too sorry for her.
I’m not making any conclusion, except that it’s wrong to shit all over someone for nothing more than telling their story. Feel free to suggest she might be lying if you have evidence for that. Otherwise, don’t say things that make it harder for victims to come forward in the future.
I tried googling, but I only found about half of the references you’re making here. I found out that her current boyfriend was accused of obscene texts about ten years ago, and I’d already heard about James Deen (and found her defense of him), but what rapist does she work with?
That would also be James Deen.
Well it looks like respected mainstream actors and genre favorites Richard Hatch and Walter Koenig are among the army of people working with James Deen on that film.
I think what this shows is not that one should feel less sorry for Chloe Dykstra’s suffering at the hands of one abuaer because she supports on other circumstances another abuser.
What it shows is that this is not a problem of do song the bad people and punishing them. It’s instead a problem of rethinking a societal order that gives personal privileges to the rich, the successful, or the popular.
Just as with racism and sexism generally, it’s not an issue of declaring oneself on the side of the food. It’s an issue of constant self-examination and self-questioning. If I am an unconscious racist in one situation, it’s not justice if I’m the victim of unconscious racism in another situation.
Note also that James Deen’s accusers are mostly women in the adult film industry. Women whom society values less, of one should believe the words of Rudolph Giuliani. It’s no wonder that Stoya’s accusations, backed up my several others, didn’t end Deen’s career.
I think your typos have interfered with your attempt at an erudite point, Acsenray.
So she knew he was a prick from the start. Even before he dated her he said her drinking would have to stop. Are we to assume that women don’t have agency? Maybe we should make them have a male chaperone along on dates.
She chose to date an asshole, maybe because she was starstruck. I’m sure there were hundreds of nice guys at the cosplay conventions. I guess they weren’t rich or famous enough. Or maybe she is just attracted to men like him.
This is not a woman with kids and no marketable skills trapped in a marriage. And speaking of torpedoing careers, she just did a good job on him.
Pardon me while I consider joining the side of the food.
Are you saying he couldn’t help himself but be an abusive asshole? He’s born that way and has no agency?
Clarify: which of these is true?
A. Was she abused and too foolish to have seen it and left; or
B. Is she “torpedoing” his career, which implies it’s not true or he doesn’t deserve it.
If A, then the fact she told her story and other people decided to implement social consequences is not her fault.
If B, what about her (not her story, but her) makes her not credible that you dismiss her story to be untrue with no facts to support that?
You can’t have it both ways.