There’s a place in the world for the angry young man
With his working class ties and his radical plans
He refuses to bend, he refuses to crawl,
He’s always at home with his back to the wall.
And he’s proud of his scars and the battles he’s lost,
And he struggles and bleeds as he hangs on the cross-
And he likes to be known as the angry young man.
Billy Joel got it right.
Posting in the Pit and not getting yourself bent out of shape over the stupid stuff is great practice for learning to let go of things in the real world, too.
It is not!! I can quite any time I want to. Really.
Hey, why is my hand quivering uncontrollably?
A wise observation, and one I try to live by.
If you really think your reputation as an incoherent fool was because of one single post, you’re an even bigger dumbass than anyone imagined.
Also: you have acknowledged that using gigantic fonts and all caps is bad form. The fact that someone else may be missing your supposedly-brilliant point is not an excuse to turn into a slobbering moron and use gigantic fonts, especially in the same sentence you promise not to use them any more.
Oh my god…I’m cryin’ I’m laughing so hard atm. I just thank the gods I wasn’t drinking anything when I read this.
Well, the guy hasn’t posted for a while, and the deluge of new threads seems to have stopped, so perhaps he’s taken some of the advice in this and other threads to heart: how about a cease-fire until we see whether or not he’s learnt anything constructive?
Indeed. It’s a rich, vibrant, varied and harebrained tapestry.
I have learned some important things from this week’s events, but before I can even move on (and maybe even be part of this community again, if possible), I feel the need to address your behavior in your Pit thread, Case Sensitive. Your behavior there only proves what I posted about ‘great’ men in my Pit thread this week; that beneath it all, most men are complete petty and pathetic shit. As you say, you proved it better than I could have in that thread itself.
Looking at the threads you’ve started in the past to see if there was a precedent for this kind of taunting and pathetic behavior, I see that there were times in which you posted asking for other users to show the (paraphrasing) ‘kindness, compassion, and decency that we here at the SD are supposed to encompass.’ There was a thread in which you make light of those in the pit who do nothing but throw feces at others like monkeys at a zoo. You start threads to share your compassion for your family and for women as friends. But it wasn’t until you started a Pit thread for a user, having the support of the entire board the whole time, that you showed your true self by admitting
(paraphrasing)
Yep (I taunted him). I thought he had no balls. I still think he has no balls.
Well, now that I’ve bashed andy enough, Mods! Close this thread!
The fact that everyone agrees he’s a coward (for not showing up in his pitting thread) tells you something, doesn’t it?
I’ll try and sleep at night. (end paraphrasing)
Now we know what you truly are- a pathetic, petty, adolescent man. You proved my point exceptionally well; thank you for providing me with so much anecdotal evidence.
As for me- you’re right, I was remiss in not entering my own Pitting; I thought I was being tactful by staying out at first and just listening (and believe me, I’ve listened; I’ve read all the comments to all these threads quite a few times, and I’ll be happy to share what I’ve learned in another post), and, not having spent much time in the Pit and not knowing that it was custom for the pittee to enter his Pit thread; so, I started a thread in which I dissected the events of the day, explaining, apologizing, saying ‘fuck you’, and getting the details straight for myself as much as for you.
I did follow your pitting of me though, but later on, I was so upset by what I read of your taunting and pettiness, and pressured by Boo Boo Foo (thanks for your support, in any case) and others to sit back and learn from the proceedings and keep quiet, and I was so divided in how to respond to someone like you, that I stayed out. But now I will respond honestly, so that I can get this off my chest, rather than asking if that thread can be re-opened.
In all honesty, I just feel that it says something about a board when it’s seen, as you say, as ‘contributing usefully’ when someone like you taunts and bad mouths someone who is in the minority, whereas if I start many threads asking questions, seeking truth and finding out things I need to know for life, I get shot down. I know all the things I did wrong (and I want to address those things in another thread later on to discuss, if that’s possible, so as to learn more), and I’ve learned, but still, I think it speaks poorly for this entire community that you, Case Sensitive, a taunting and bullying and shit-slinging poster, are an ideal member.
Now’s your chance to address the issues you wanted to in my Pitting. This can be my Pit thread now, so we don’t have to start another one.
A good idea, and likely to bring you supportive posts encouraging you.
Better not to open another thread, in my opinion; rather, discuss those lessons here, as you indicated you would in your first quote.
My respect for the mods will nosedive if this request is granted.
If you want the thread closed WALK AWAY, wait and THEN request it. Trying to get the last word in and then have the mods will close it is chickenshit.
Andrew… doubtless you’ve heard the famous quote regarding free speech along the lines of “I disagree with what Person X says, but I’ll fight to the grave for their right to say it?” Well, in a way that’s how I felt regarding you, and Case Sensitive’s Pit Thread. However, that being said, while it’s true I feel what I do regarding the merit’s of taunting on a messageboard where presumably, we’re all adults, it’s equally true right now you’re making a classic mistake of “flame me and I’ll flame you”. So it’s important to remember we can’t change other people, we can only change our reactions. Accordingly, your chances of making a change in Case Sensitive’s philosphy right now are about as likely as the sun rising in the West tomorrow morning.
So please take the following observation for what it’s worth… it’s far more effective when debating with someone to talk about how you feel on a personal level, as averse to pointing out the flaws in others (regardless of whether you’re right or not). And the reason? When we start to point out other people’s flaws, what happens is all they hear is “blah blah blah blah I’m attacking you blah blah blah…” And almost always the message is inevitably lost on the listener.
On the other hand, if you had said to Case Sensitive in your post above that “I felt very disappointed by what you were trying to achieve Case. I felt like I was being belittled and that I wasn’t worthy of respect etc” then that would have solicited and entirely different response to what I predict you’re gonna get when Case reads that post.
Nothing personal there, but I learnt long ago that on messageboards (and in life in general) that people really enjoy taunting people. Nothing much you can do about it. Buying into it and biting back does nothing for improving the tone of a conversation - indeed, the tone takes a distinct downfall. As I said, we can’t change other people, but if we do concentrate on a thread’s content and nothing else, at least you can rest assured that YOUR reaction isn’t playing a part in devolving a thread even further.
furt, he’s talking about Case Sensitive’s thread, not this one.
andrewt85, please, for the love of god, you do NOT need to start yet another thread to discuss these things. Do it here.
Have some pity on the poor little hamsters.
Furt, he is not requesting this thread be closed, he was quoting {poorly} Case Sensitive from his thread.
Andrew you got blasted rightfully for blasting one of the most respected posters on the board more than anything else. You apologized and he accepted. It is time to move on. Just let this go and don’t fan the flames.
When you start your next thread, make it a happy thing or a question and keep the OP more concise.
Happy Turkey Day
Jim
Yep. Finn, that gave me a good belly laugh.
:smack:
OK, let’s address them. That last post of yours was a huge improvement on what you were turning out before, which was the reason I pitted you in the first place. For starters, you didn’t start a whole new thread - thank you. No excessive caps, exclamation marks or smilies - thank you. No giant fonts or retina-searing colours - thank you. The post was lucid, coherent, and broken up by paragraphs, making it much easier to follow your points - thank you. I assure you I’m not being sarcastic or trying to patronise you here.
Now, let’s deal with the substance of your remarks, although I may precis or skip a couple, due to the length of your post. Firstly, I’m not an ideal poster, just an ordinary one - I doubt many people here would recognise my name, and so the fact that so many people agreed with the issues I raised in my thread suggests that they were valid ones: no-one would have agreed with me simply because I’ve been here longer than you have if they felt it was an unfair pitting. Perhaps the fact that the responses were so nearly unanimous should have given you food for thought: consideration that there was something to my criticisms.
Yes, some of it was harsh - the problems I raised with your excessive posting, deficiences in your posting style, and the silliness of many of the threads you started annoyed me. This is the Pit, however, and it can be a rough forum - perhaps if you had entered the fray earlier within the thread I began it would have ameliorated things, but beginning this thread when there was one extant irritated people, myself especially, when my Pitting was centred around you starting too many threads. Rightly or wrongly, I - and perhaps others - saw your failure to respond in my thread and begin your own instead as a cowardly evasion, and a deliberate ignoring of the advice you were being given.
Incidentally, I asked the Mods to lock down the thread not as a “bash and dash”, but because it seemed as if you weren’t going to respond, and you hadn’t posted in any other threads in a while either: I hoped that you were thinking through the advice you’d been given, and I didn’t see any point in kicking you in the interim. If you’ll scroll back few posts in this thread, you’ll see that I urged a cease-fire in here too.
If you weren’t aware that the custom was to respond in the existing thread, well, you are now. If you found the tone harsh - well, that’s the Pit for you. Insults are thrown. People are mocked. Arguments are picked apart - and if the argument or the arguer is found wanting, they’ll be picked apart too: witness the recent and unanimous slamming of VCO3 for a thread in which he put the boot into a poster for using a euphemism over a dog she had to have put down.
As I mentioned in my second paragraph, though, anyone, no matter who they are or how long they’ve been here, will be judged in this forum on the substance of their Pitting: it’s extremely egalitarian down here. It may not be much comfort, but you can be sure that my Pitting of you had been judged as unnecessary or unfair, I would have been on the receiving end of the boot.
You need to be prepared for a few bruises in here, and if you’re not, well, you can stick to one of the gentler forums. No-one will think the worse of you for it: some posters don’t like the sulphurous atmosphere and gouts of flame that accompany the screams of the damned down here, and that’s their choice.
You reviewed my posting history before your last post, and brought up some posts I’ve made in the past. I’m not an ideal poster, as I may have mentioned, and I wouldn’t hold myself up as one. I’m a human poster, and like all humans I’m inconsistent. Some posts are humourous, some are sarcastic, some are thoughtful, some are informative, some are merely silly. Yes, there are posts where I’m kind and compassionate, and there are others where I urge kindness and compassion, but they need to be read in the context of what I’m posting about: there are also posts where I’m curt and blunt, and as you may have noticed, there are posts where I’m downright scathing. It depends what I’m responding to, and I don’t see that as contradictory or hypocritical.
Rob
andrew a very thoughtful and coherent post. More like that please.
case thank you for not taking andrew’s comments about you too seriously.
Peace breaks out.
Can we get back to bashing Updike, Scylla and VC03 now please?
In the interests of your further education, andrew, here are a couple of tips from a Pitizen of long standing - Boo Boo’s advice is excellent, for starters.
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read what you’ve written before submitting, and take it down a notch if you’ve written something that someone will take offense at. We often want to post in the heat of the moment and strike back at someone who has insulted us, but that usually gets us nothing but a fuck war (you know; “Fuck you!” “No, fuck YOU!” “No, FUCK YOU!!” etc.)
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give people the benefit of the doubt and ask for clarification before you go off the deep end. There are many times that people and tone are misunderstood - I often post sarcastically or humourously, but very rarely with intent to hurt, and if people took everything I posted seriously, there would be lots of hurt feelings where none were intended.
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keep personal stuff out of arguments. I know it can be extremely tempting to justify your anger at something for whatever personal reason, but that is a red flag to a bull in the Pit.
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don’t be afraid to admit you’re wrong or apologize if you goof. You probably know this already - your apology to Qadgop was excellent. Nothing takes the wind out of someone’s sails in the Pit like you admitting you were wrong instead of fighting back.
Stick around, young Padawan. The Pit is where it’s at, you know.
Fuck you. 
So what’s with the fucking Alphonse-and-Gaston routine, huh?