OOOO I’m too lazy to open last weeks thread…
But somebody was right on the money about Conner!
(And thank Og that the Frangel thing didnt’ happen!)
OK here is the link to last week’s thread.
Going to bed now…
Another fabulous Angel episode. Loved the paranoid book store clerk, the “Jasmine” father-son duet, and the veggie mini demon. I really think ATS is the best thing going on TV right now.
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9/10
I thought this was a great episode! LunaSea I agree that AtS is one of the best shows on TV. Now if only Buffy could be dragged kicking and screaming up to AtS’s level.
GO FRED! The girl discovers that she has a backbone, even when she isn’t surrounded by the boys, fights off a sneaky little asparagus-faced demon, and survives being hunted by Jasmine long enough to save most of the Fang Gang from Zoe…I mean Jasmine’s total mind f**k.
I have to admit that I’m very glad that the Fred/Angel snog was nothing more than them trying to fake out passers-by. I’m holding out hope that Fred and Wes will finally get together. Gunn’s OK, but he can have Spandexia. 
While I was surprised that Cordy’s blood was able to break the spell Jasmine had cast on the FG, I was not at all surprised that the “cure” didn’t work on Connor. If only the knife had slipped and they had nicked his neck…from ear to ear. Sorry, don’t care for the kid all that much.
I had a feeling that Jasmine was doing something horrible to the “chosen” people, but I was surprised that she came out and told Connor what she’d done to them. Although with the whammy she’s laid on everyone, I wasn’t really shocked when it didn’t seem to bother him that she’d just eaten 3 people with him right outside the door.
Any guesses as to why Cordy grabbed Angel’s hand when he first went to get her blood? Is she aware of what’s going on and just unable to respond beyond that? Coincidental random movement from Coma Girl? Is she just playing possum until she’s able to figure out how to fight her “daughter”? Please, if you have actual knowledge of what’s going to happen in the final episodes, DON’T TELL ME! This is just speculation - I don’t want to have the rest of the season spoiled for me. 
Oh, and this cracked me up: “There was no second gunman. Oswald acted alone.” The look on the guy’s face was priceless - he looked like he was trying to be happy that his most cherished theories had just been debunked.
Engel
Open mic night was one of the funniest things ever on TV. The opening was also very amusing. There was an amazing mix of humor, creepiness and action in this episode. Jasmine’s love hunt with the developing connectivity was truly disturbing. We know a lot more about the mechanics of Jasmine’s appeal now. It works just through voice by radio and it doesn’t remake you as a person it just makes you happy and worshipful. It is creepier that way. The paranoid nut was still a paranoid nut, just a happy one that revered a living deity.
As for what she’s doing with the people I’m really curious was exactly becomes of them and what she needs them for. The “I ate them.” line could easily be interpreted as a joke about how they aren’t out again. Most of her worshipers would take it that way. I hope that it actually doesn’t make the people poof but definitely does something bad to them. Just because I think that ME can come up with a nifty thing for her to do to people that is better than just gobbling them up with some special effects.
Finally Conner’s immunity was easy to guess. After all he has a blood link as well but isn’t free of her spell. Though it doesn’t seem like the FG saw Jasmine, instead the spell just wore off when exposed to Cordy’s blood. This didn’t happen to Fred when she was exposed to Jasmine’s blood which raises interesting questions. I doubt Conner will snap out of it when he sees Jasmine again but it will be interesting to see what ME does with Jasmine and all the other questions currently floating around.
I don’t know why y’all used spoiler tags; the episode has already aired!
I’m puzzled about the way the Fang Gang was cured. When Fred was exposed to Jasmine’s blood, the spell was broken, but not until she next saw Jasmine.
When Angel was exposed to Jasmine’s blood, the spell was broken…but not until he next saw Jasmine.
But when Lorne, Gunn and Wesley were exposed to the Cordblood, the spell was broken immediately. Why the difference?
Creepy, creepy episode. I’m loving it!
I’ve noticed that, although most crime seems gone now that Jasmine’s around, there still were apparently a whore with a john at Fred’s motel.
I’ll leave it to the rest of you to discuss the implications of that. Time for bed.
Darn, hamsters staked my post.
I had the same question about turning Lorne, Gunn, and Wes, but I figure it’s just a plot point that we’re going to ignore.
Good going Fred, she used her brain to figure it out, plan a trap, then execute it. Are you listening, Buffy?
Clearly, Gunn is still mighty pissed at Fred, and Wes still loves her. Jasmine’s spell hasn’t changed that. The Angel/Conner duet was just, well, different. I suppose after seeing Angel in the 70’s we should have all expected that.
Loved Wes’s line about kidnapping Conner. Nice exchange of looks between him and Angel.
It seemed like Jasmine needed to feed on people to sustain herself. She needed them to heal herself this time, and before when she was setting things up.
I hope we get Spandexia returning before the end of the season. She’d be interesting fighting for Jasmine. Plus we have to find out how her night with Gunn went. And they wimped out on the Angel/Fred kiss, but that was obvious. Angel seemed to have new feelings for Fred though.
“Finger food?”!
The whole thing is begining to feel a bit like the Twilight Zone meets The Fugitive, but in a good way. I’m waiting for some resolution now, doesn’t look like well get any real soon.
Aired on the west coast, so spoiler free from here on out:
I missed the first fifteen minutes of Buffy last night, and I was a little disappointed. I missed the first fifteen minutes of Angel tonight and I was effin pissed. Ironically, I missed it because I was playing the Buffy video game. What did I miss, anyway? I tuned to Fred wrestling the asparagus demon.
I think we know what happened to that “crazy” guy last week. Jasmine sucked the life out of his face to heal that scratch on her arm. Healing a .38 bullet through the belly apparently requires a bit more juice.
I think the spell on Fred broke as soon as the blood entered her system The same happened with Angel: he was about to blow the roof off of Fred’s head until he glanced at Jasmine. The others, once the spell was broken, probably still went with their previous assumptions about Jasmine, but were now open to reason.
It is possible that there is momentum from the enchantmant that can be over come with some logic. Plus post deep connection it is probably easier to break. Being pulled out of that must be a powerful shock. They would have realized that they don’t feel her anymore. I trust ME to clear it up in someway that furthers the plot.
Absolutely terrific episode! I was spoiler free for this episode, and in a way I was glad.
So many great things -
Jasmine eats people
The bookstore guy
The creepy way people were looking for Fred
The gun to the throat
Cordy!
The duet - OMG.
The demon in the dirt hole
So many emotions in such a short time. Was anyone else reminded of “Invasion of the Body Snatchers” during the last scene with Connor?
Buffy should come take lessons from the FG, they, at least, know how to get things done!
10/10
I just had a disturibng thought. Maybe Conner was “cured” or had what ever experience but decided that it was still good. After all just because he isn’t plugged into the peace and love doesn’t make it fake. It may just mean that they did something to him. After all a spell for this, a spell for that. Now instead of doing it out of the insane culty love for Jasmine he is going to do it out of a pure hatred for them taking away his happiness and making him think his daughter is a monster.
Fabulous episode!
I’m not so sure Connor is immune to the blood cure. I think maybe it worked, but he’s either denying in out of sheer adolescent stubbornness, or he just doesn’t care. Maybe he just hates his dad that much.
Pure speculation, of course, but that’d be pretty cool, and completely in character.
Hey! The Tim’s post wasn’t there when I wrote that!
Er, anyway, yeah…what he said!
Could we get some of the writers of Angel over to Buffy for her last few episodes? Please? With sugar on top? Probably a moot point since they’re already written, and maybe even shot, but a fan can dream.
My WAG about the spell breaking is that Cordy’s blood is a better antidote, because even though the thing inside her “infused her every cell”, there’s still some human in it, while Jasmine’s is pure…whatever. Or maybe the spell is broken equally either way, but something has to shock you out of the behavior pattern you’ve already started. With Angel and Fred, it was seeing Jasmine’s true face. With Lorne, Gunn, and Wes, maybe just talking to someone who’s explaining the truth was enough.
As for the hooker, well Jasmine just wants to make everyone love each other and connect, right? Well, what’s wrong with charging for it?
And I’ll see your “finger food” and raise you a “Should I just stay here, then?”
Great episode. And next week’s looks just as nice, with everyone on the run. And some blue glowing thing that’s probably important to breaking Jasmine’s spell (an anti-Love potion #9?).
Oh, and I’m not sure if my UPN station flaked out or anything, but did Fred just go straight from rolling down the hill to wrestling Mini-Demon by the fire? It looked like she just woke up, so maybe her falling into the cave knocked her out, and they just cut it poorly (or I blinked at the wrong time).
That threw me too, especially as I’d just tuned in. I think she rolled down the hill and fell through a hole in the ground. Very poor edit, though.
Wow. I really want to know what the hell that glowy blue thing is next week.
I noticed that too. Later, the demon complians about Fred putting a hole in the roof, so I guess she just fell through the ground.
Loved the part when Fred and Angel tried to sneak quietly into Cordy’s room.
Which reminds me-- I was a tad incredulous they were able to sneak back into the hotel at all. Wasn’t the place swarming with Jasmine followers? Wasn’t there a massive manhunt for Fred at the time? Yet somehow they made it inside undetected…
And finally, I don’t think Connor’s swift enough to jump from a spell-broken state to a let’s-betray-the-gang mode so quickly. He’d need to brood over the injustice first.
It’s nothing less than amazing how well they do things on Angel. I’m raving here every week now and getting to feel a little ridiculous. But as Lyllyan wrote, they managed to pack so much into 40 minutes, witout making it feel contrived or strange. This ensemble is so tight and the actors play so well off each other, I’m amazed. ven if a main character - Cordy - is basically out of action, and a sidekick takes center stage, as Fred did, it felt really, really good.
Another thing I liked is the waty they get the feeling of time flow intop the show. Fred had been in the bokkstore three days earlier. And by the end she says to the FG that she’s known for a week. Everything fits together very smoothly.
And with all the darkness, they still manage to make me laugh. Classic Shakespearian - can’t hit viewers with gloom and doom all the time. You need to let the audience release tension.
From the start with Beach Boys, through the duett 'tween Connor and Angel, to the very end, the episode was flawless.
Was I imagining things, or was Fred, when she just turned Angel, repeating more or less what she said to him in Pylea, in the Cave, when they first met? “I was so afraid and so alone…” And in a similar setting…
Hands down: 10/10
Best line in the episode…
“There hasn’t been anything good on the radio since Art Bell retired.”
Amen, brother.