Annoying family situation. Kinda longish

This is so insignificant compared to some of the things that go on, but still it just doesn’t sit right with me.

OK, here it goes:

My sister is having a wedding shower for my 19-year-old nephew and his 22-year-old bride. I’m invited, but–since I was given only two days notice, and already had other plans–I won’t be able to make it.

And here’s the deal:

Since our father died in '96, my sister and I used to be in contact at least *once of week (we basically live in the same town), until last fall. She informed me that she was deep in debt, and wanted to sell me some property that she inherited from our father. I wasn’t really interested in going in any extra debt myself, especially when she was wanting twice what the market value was, but I gave her the standard non-committal “I’ll think about it.” A few days later, she found another relative who was willing to take it off her hands. Don’t know for a fact that the transaction ever went through, but that’s the last I heard of it.

And it was almost the last I’d heard from her until this week. Since August, when this was going on, I’ve spoken to her twice. In early October, she asked if I would come over for my birthday one weekend. I said that I already had plans for that weekend, but I could make it the next. Didn’t hear back. Then, in early November, she asked if I was going to have Thanksgiving with her and her extended family (husband, her three kids, one step-son). I told here I wouldn’t be able to make Thanksgiving (the gal and I were heading to the beach after Thanksgiving with her family), but could do Christmas (where I was also invited to be with my gal’s family, but since they were meeting late, I could have made it around lunchtime). Well, I never heard back from her about Christmas, so I didn’t go. Sure, I could have called to confirm that they were still having **Christmas dinner, and were they expecting me–but I didn’t. Right or wrong, I felt that I might have been imposing, since it had been six weeks since we had spoken. I felt as though I would be inviting myself.

OK, so now it’s May. To this day, I have not spoken to my sister since November, and she has not called me, even to leave a message. I think she’s kinda embarrassed about having had to admit her indebtedness, and possibly thinks that I think ill of her for having gotten into that situation. And maybe it’s something else. I know (from other relatives) that she’s had a lot of problems with my 14-year-old niece. Who knows???

And now for the nephew. He joined the Air Force last fall, met a gal–also in the Air Force–and got married very quickly. And, no, there was no pressing, um, need, for them to get married. They just did. OK. That’s their business. I didn’t think it was a good move, but no one asked me–and even if they had, I doubt that I would have said anything negative. It wouldn’t have dissuaded them, and I would have just ended up looking like “The Bad Guy.”

But that wasn’t the issue with me. I think that marriage is a significant life-altering event (so I’ve heard–never been there, myself), but I wasn’t even told they were going to. My first indication was when my mother called me to tell my that my nephew (and her grandson) had married. (There was no ceremony. They just “went downtown” and signed papers.) My sister couldn’t even tell my that! I had to hear it after the fact from my mom.

That is what bothered me.

It also bothers me that apparently he has been calling his grandmother, his aunt (our older sister), and all his paternal relatives about it–but somehow I seem to have been left out of it. Adding to this is the fact that for his high school graduation, I gave him a check for several times more than everyone else ***combined (and four times the total amount that I received for my own graduation). Not even a “thank you.”

Which brings us to the shower. In a conversation with my mother (she still calls me at least once a week), she mentioned the shower. I said that I didn’t know about it. She said, “You didn’t receive an invitation?” (In the past my sister mailed out invitations for familial events. I said, “Nope. Sure didn’t.” She seemed surprised, because “they were mailed several days ago.” As of yesterday, I still haven’t received one. But I did receive an email yesterday informing me. I suspect that my mother mentioned to my sister that I said I hadn’t received one.

And I feel a little annoyed about it. I feel I’ve been kept out of touch about the whole situation, then at the last minute “Oh, we’re having a shower, and you’re invited.” I feel as though I’ve been sorta left out of a lot. I also feel I’ve been invited at the last minute in hopes that I’d already made other plans–and thus would not be able to attend.

Anyway, I’m just not real happy with this sequence of events.

Any opinions would be welcome.

*This is actually impressive. We came from a very uncommunicative family. The four of us siblings (older brother, older sister, me, younger sister) hall have “communication issues.” Our brother doesn’t talke to any of us. The older sister speaks only to me. I’ve never once called either older sibling.)

**Hey, when we were kids under the same roof, our family never–even once–had any “special” Christmas meal. But, we didn’t do meals much anyway.

***This is a little artifically inflated because he didn’t get a single penny from a soul on his father’s side. One thing–they don’t have any money. Another thing–he’s the first person in that family to graduate high school. Not his father, paternal aunts and uncles, nor cousins. So, high school gradutation was a novel concept to them.

Snake-hips, I don’t know what to say except that my family seems to have a communication problem as well. My brother never talks to anyone, my sister doesn’t return phone calls. Ever. My dad talks to me and her, and to my knowledge, there is no bad blood. She just doesn’t talk to me. Who the fuck knows what gets into people.

It depresses the hell out of me, but there’s nothing I can do to change it. I initiate all contact with both of them. I ask my dad if there’s a problem that I don’t know about, and he’s unaware of anything.

I’m much more family oriented than either of them, so it bothers me much more than it does them. I do have to wonder what’s going through their heads, but if they’re not willing to discuss it, what can I do?

I’m sorry I can’t offer words of advice, as I am in the same shitty boat as you. I’ll just keep trying to keep the lines open until I feel that it’s fruitless.

Gosh Earl, your family sounds a lot like my own, except for the fact that I haven’t talked to most of mine for many years.

It sure sounds like your at arm’s length with your sister. It also sounds like the feelings are mutual. I’ll certainly concede that your sister is playing some sort of exclusionary games. You seem to be playing straight into them as well. However, all these last minute notifications are pretty screwed up. It’s not like your sister is filling out her invitation list and then, a week or two later, thinks “Holy smokes, I forgot about inviting my own frickin’ brother.” Well, not unless she’s lobotomized or something.

Kudos for sending the kid a big graduation check, that was classy. Sad that he didn’t return a thank you note. Perhaps, his upbringing didn’t emphasize written correspondence. I received $50.[sup]00[/sup] for graduation from my step-grandmother and neglected to send her a thank you note. (My family was never big on letter writing and my parents never placed any stress whatsoever on these sort of niceties.) I did send her a beautiful black onyx jewelry ensemble the very next Christmas, but I had already been written off by her and that was that. Anyway, it was also smart of you to stay out of the loop with any criticism concerning the nephew’s hasty marriage.

You seem to be minding your own business extremely well. Perhaps too well, but that’s d@mn hard to find fault with. I would pretty much feel just as you do in the same situation. Whenever I encounter these sort of bu!!sh!t pansy-@ss games, I just back away slowly and frequently am never heard from ever again. You need to carefully weigh just how important it is for you to maintain ties with family that are willing to play mind games and head trips. Personally, I find such deceit and willful obscuration of intent belies much more substantial character issues that serve as a **big red warning label ** which says:

DANGER WILL ROBINSON, MAJOR JERKING AROUND IMPENDING!!!

I guess I’d have to ask whether your Mother is standing up for you at all. As matriarch, if she hasn’t the guts to voice support for her own son, then you may be better off flying solo. Keep in mind that all this advice is coming from a self-declared orphan. Your mileage may vary. Tax and license not included. Additional dealer fees, dock charges and percentage points may apply. No implied or explicit warranty may be assumed.

As an “uncommunicative” guy from an “uncommunicative family” you probably aren’t going to like my advice: You need to talk to your sister. Suddenly going from talking once a week to not speaking in months and ignoring holidays is not good. Time hasn’t solved this so far. That means you need to talk to her. Can you talk with her alone in a neutral place? Ask her what’s up, tell her (if it’s true) that you miss her and her family?

I agree with Brynda re talking with your sister. You’d be amazed what can be solved or sorted out if just one of the involved parties quits with the games and directly asks what’s up.

Even if your sister chooses to blow you off or she tells you nothing’s wrong, you will have done your best to address the situation in a healthy, mature way – and your sister will know you are not playing the family game.

Snake-Hips, look at this from your sister’s perspective.

She invited you over for your birthday, you said you couldn’t make it.

She invited you for Thanksgiving, you said you couldn’t make it. You implied you would be there for Christmas, yet you are a no-show.

If I were your sister, I would take it that you were blowing me off, and my attitude would be, “To hell with you.” I didn’t see anywhere in your post that you had attempted to contact her, so if you did, forgive me, although you did say you didn’t hear from her from November to May, so I took that to mean you didn’t contact her either. Her attitude may have been communicated to her nephew, so that may explain the lack of a Thank You note.

I think you have some bridges to mend. Call your sister up, invite her to lunch, and hash it all out.

ivylass has it dead on! Your sister has extended multiple invitations to you, all of which you’ve declined (and it doesn’t matter that you offered alternate dates if you never bothered to follow up about them) and yet you’re sitting around feeling slighted, like some kind of martyr.

You absolutely should phone your sister and try to rebuild the relationship that you let slide. Apologize for being out of touch for so long and assure her that you’re going to try to stay in better contact from now on.

And you need to rearrange your schedule to attend this shower (assuming your other plans aren’t life or death matters). It’s an important first step in rebuilding what you’ve come close to destroying.

No one’s playing games with you by offering invitations at the last minute – they’re simply treating you as you’ve passive-agressively expressed a desire to be treated – at arm’s length!

Just call your sister, tell her you love her and miss her and get back into the habit of talking regularly. Trust me, you don’t even need to get into lengthy, heartfelt conversations about the miscommunications that got you there in the first place (it’ll probably only end in a classic “well you did THIS”, “well YOU did THIS” back-and-forth volley of blame and accusations).

CALL YOUR SISTER!

Obviously you love your family and want to be a part of the joyous events that occur in their lives. You’re not going to ever have that if you keep sitting around feeling ignored (when you haven’t been!). You do have to make an effort, too, you know!

CALL YOUR SISTER!

I second both Ivylass and Shayna. Call her. Get it out in the open NOW!! You are at least partly responsible for what’s been happening; being right has nothing to do with being a good brother/lover/husband/person.

The last thing you want is to go even more months that easily turn into years without speaking, all over something could be resolved with one discussion. It seems you truly care about your sister, and the fact that you know you are all bad at communications should help you explain to her what’s been going on (“I know I never called, but I really didn’t know what to do…” etc)

The more I think about this, the more I want to put you over my knee and spank you.

You start out by admitting that you had regular contact with your sister until she asked you to help her out of a serious financial bind by buying some property, and you responded by blowing her off! Literally. Sure, you told her you’d think about it, which wasn’t an outright shooing away. However, you never bothered to call your own sister back to tell her that after careful consideration you’d decided you weren’t in a position to go that far into debt yourself, inquire as to whether she was able to make other arrangements for the land and ask if there was anything else you could do to help! Not only did you never bother to give her an answer to her plea for help… not only did you rely on 3rd party hearsay… not only didn’t you offer to help in any other way, but you then proceeded to completely ignore her, never even inquiring as to whether she was OK or not!

She didn’t ask you for a handout. She didn’t even ask you for a loan. She asked you to buy something of value from her, from which you would ultimately gain at some point, as well. And you couldn’t even pick up the phone to see if she was ALIVE, let alone not subsisting on ramen noodles or having to hock treasured family heirlooms in order to survive.

She had every reason to never want to phone you again. But she obviously loved you enough to put aside any hurt she may have felt (and I assure you, your behaviour must have hurt her) and invite you out for your birthday. She extended an olive branch to you and you again blew her off.

Yeah, yeah, you already had more important things planned than reconciling with your sister. It’s a wonder she ever called you again for any reason. But she did – again – and for a family gathering. A time when families get together to show their gratitude for the gifts they’ve been given in life. But not you. Once again something else was more important.

You suggested getting together for Christmas, but then you never bothered to do anything about actually making it happen. You put the whole thing square in her lap as her sole responsibility to phone you.

You know what? If you were my brother I wouldn’t have invited you to the shower, either.

GO CALL YOUR SISTER!

Since you asked… it seems like you and your sister are very much alike. Don’t want to presume, don’t want to initiate for fear that you’re “inviting yourself,” repeat ad nauseum. Bah! If you can’t invite yourself over to family events, what else have you got left? I’m half-joking on that one.

I think you to need to make it clear to your sis that you weren’t intentionally blowing off your sister’s invitations but that you’d already made plans. It wasn’t personal. And you also weren’t blowing her off when you said “I’ll get back to you” when you didn’t. When you offered Christmas, she may have taken that for “I can’t for Thanksgiving but I’ll come for Christmas!” instead of your “Christmas is a possiblity – call me back and let me know what’s up with that.” After a while, she probably figured that you had a life that took priority over hers. It sounds harsh, but I can see how she could think that.

So, to echo (echo) others, call your sister. Or, if that’s too hard, write her a letter. Talking is difficult, but you’ve demonstrated that you communicate quite well in writing. This way, you don’t have to worry about interrupting her dinner, tv program, etc.

Huh, I think everyone is right so far. I agree with the people who said it sucks that your sister and your nephew don’t do more to keep in touch with you, and I also agree wtih the people who pointed out that your sister might very well feel the same way based on your responses to her invitations.

That said, this is my advice: There are some relationships in life where you can expect a roughly equal amount of effort from both parties. I call you, you call me. I email you, you email me. If the effort isn’t kept up by one party, then the other party is probably better off ending the relationship or at the very least, letting it die a natural death. In my opinion, (since you asked) family is NOT that kind of relationship.

Like most people, your family is probably made up of a bunch of folks who might not always agree on what is the “proper” social response to various situations. That’s why they’re called “family”, because you didn’t get to pick them, and now you’re stuck with them. :wink:

It might be easier on you in the long run if you stopped waiting for your sister to call you, and decided to keep the ball in your own court all the time, so to speak. I agree it’s frustrating when you feel like she’s not returning the effort, but that’s what the SDMB is for, you can come here and vent. Some people are just not great about initiating contact, so if you want a more satisifying relationship with your sister, it might help if you stopped looking at these situations as tit-for-tat. Maybe her real talent is entertaining in her home, and for her, the “effort” is making dinner, hosting parties, etc, and your part of the effort is dropping her a line every week or so.

I guess I would ask you, if you can imagine yourself 20 years down the road, would you rather be annoyed beacuse you had to initiate the contact with sis 75% of the time, or sad because you had NO contact with her over all these years?

As your mom might have said to you when you and your sister were kids: “I don’t care if it’s FAIR or not – go call your sister!”

(And really, I do sympathize with the frustration you feel!)

I wanted to address this as well. For God’s sake, she’s your sister. You two grew up together, tormenting the hell out of each other, chasing each other around the backyard with the garden hose and trying to feed your peas to the dog when your mother wasn’t looking. Does she really need to issue an engraved invitation on cream vellum paper wrapped in tissue for Christmas? Surely a quick phone call “We’re getting together at noon,” would suffice.

If not, then I would suggest you work on the relationship so a quick phone call is all you need.

Ok, prepare yourself for a southern-style butt-kicking session.

Ready?

Well, aren’t YOU the little prince! You give her a non-committal response to an offer of property instead of a “Yes, thank you” or “No, thank you”. You shrug off invitations to your sister’s holiday events, you don’t call her, she finally figures out that you are too busy for her so she quits beating her head against a brick wall.

This really got me:

REAL nice brother, you are. You think she’s embarrassed to admit her indebtedness??? And of course she’s had problems with her 14 year old daughter - who hasn’t??? And if she feels that you would think ill of her, why would that be? As far as ‘thank you’ notes go, kids do what they observe.

Let the grovelling begin, bucky. Wake up. If you don’t communicate with your family, it’s not because it’s a good habit.

Now go, and sin no more. I’ve lost both my brother and sister, and I’d give anything just to be able to pick up the phone to talk to them.

Basically, I want to reiterate what ivylass, shayna and SouthernSky have said.

You’re a pompous toe-rag.

After recieving repeated snubs from you to attend family events, AND the fact that you haven’t rung HER, I wouldn’t have invited you to the ‘shower’ either. You suggest that she is ‘kinda embarrassed’ by her financial predicament, or that she’s had some problems with her daughter, and that THESE are the reasons she hasn’t contacted you.

Sunshine, the reasons she hasn’t contacted you are that you are one lousy brother. Apart from your generous gift to your nephew on graduation, have you done anything at all to help make the family a functional one? Did you ring your sister when you found out she was having some issues with her 14 year old, if for no other reason than to offer a shoulder?
Ring your sister and try to patch things up. Sounds like she’s tried a damn sight harder than you have.

:rolleyes:

Well, well, well, Earl. Seems that not only do you shirk responsibility for things that happen to you in your life, but you appear to be a liar, too. It looks like the only opinions you were really interested in were those that agreed with you that your sister was a big meanie for not bothering to phone you (even to leave a message!) for the past 8 months. (Oh, except that she did!)

You posted this thread at 11:21AM EST Friday morning. You’ve been back to the Straight Dope a minimum of 5 separate times in the past 2 days since then, but you don’t even bother to take the time or make the effort to acknowledge that a dozen posters here took their time to read your whinefest about how badly your meanie family has been treating you, let alone say thank you for the feedback.

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Since you’ve had all this time to play around on the boards, may I ask, HAVE YOU CALLED YOUR SISTER YET?

Interesting that you’ve got time to be here today for over 3 hours, but you were already too booked up to attend the shower. Hmmmm.

And you wonder why you weren’t invited in the first place?!

You’re online RIGHT NOW. I know this because the little button thingie under your latest post tells me so. Seeing your name on the top of the board as the last poster in that thread is what inspired me to check again to see the status of your attendance in this one. So I’m bumping this back to the top so you can plainly see it.

Earth to EarlHAVE YOU CALLED YOUR SISTER?

Kinda gives you the “big picture”, eh?

Sad.

I agree with you Shayna. I think you have been spot on in this thread.
I think he probably just wanted all of us to get together, pat him on the back, make soothing sounds, and assure him that she really is a bitch and that he didn’t do anything wrong. Thus assured, he could continue to blithely ignore the fact that this is his problem, not hers, and if he wants it to change, he needs to do it. However, we didn’t justify his shitty behaivor to his sister, and now he’s got nothing left to add to the thread.

Aw, now, be nice. I went. I did cancel my other plans. The shower was from 4-6 Eastern yesterday, and all went well. I asked for opinions here, got some unbiased feedback for which I am appreciative (and I apologize for not acknowleding it–you know, the non-communicative thing again), and took it to heart. So, many thanks for some disinterested insight!

Wow. Harsh room here. I’ll pat ole Earl on the back.Don’t listen to them mean wimminfolk. They don’t have anything better to do than monitor your posting patterns :slight_smile:

I don’t think you’ve treated her any shittier than she has treated you. Not getting back to her at Xmas was definitely a faux pas but hell, you aren’t a bad brother for having previous plans for your birthday and T’giving. And I gather she didn’t phone you between November and now, ya?

So there are a few possibilities here. She may be embarassed about the money/land thing (twice the value? Lordy). She may have other life shit happening (niece, work, whatever) and just lacked time to call. She may just not give a shit(sorry, it’s always possible). The inflexibility about the invites seemed a bit p-a to me-like “ok, made the offer, he can’t come, my conscience is clear”.

So. Call her for a casual yack, once a week or so. Don’t bring up any of the issues for a while-have a few casual chats if you can. Invite her and the hubster over for dinner. The antipathy problem may just dissolve. If, on the other hand, she consistently blows you off, doesn’t return messages within the lunar cycle, etc, ask her if she’s pissed about something. And send the happy couple a moderate(as defined by your family giving patterns) wedding gift. Since they’re in the service they may not want a bunch of bric a brac, so a gift certificate somewhere cool (Best Buy or equivalent) may be a thought. A little something to say"I acknowledge you" without coming across as Uncle Moneybags. It may be since the kids more-or-less eloped Sis didn’t want to make a big deal out of the wedding or look like she was gift begging on her son’s behalf. Maybe she was embarassed that you out-gifted her when Nephew graduated? Does that fit the timeline?
Give as much consideration as you’d like to receive. But if she isn’t comitted to being a close sister, don’t feel comitted to being a close brother.

Postscript: Saw Earl’s post during preview. Good for you for going! And Shayna, Pepper and SSKy, you all want your crow now?

First off, GOOD FOR YOU, EARL! You finally did the right thing by putting your family first. You get your props for that.

Secondly, Annie, no, I have no intention of eating any crow. I was 100% right about his horrendous treatment of his sister (along with every other poster in this thread, save one). And I was equally correct in calling him as he called his nephew on the lack of manners he showed in not thanking those of us who gave our valuable time in answering his thread.

And FTR, it doesn’t take “monitoring his posting patterns” to see his name as the last poster at the top of the board, open the thread and click the freaking search button right under his name.

So I guess I’d ask you, seeing as how Earl came back and said that we were, in fact, right and that he took our advice, would you like your helping of crow?

Sheesh