Another Mass Shooting (San Bernardino)

Military assault rifles are less powerful than typical deer rifles. In most Western states they are not legal for deer hunting, as they are too likely to result in a wounded animal escaping. (Eastern white tailed deer are much smaller than the mule deer common in the west).

The 7.62x54 NATO round used by some designated marksmen and/or snipers is considered an adequate round for deer hunting, (where it is known as .308 Winchester) though it is considerably less powerful than the .30-'06 round used in the WW-II Korea era, and still favored by many big game hunters. The AR-10 rifle is available to civilians, and has military styling, but it is perhaps 5% (my WAG) as popular as the much lower powered AR-15.

Furthermore, most of the inexpensive ammo available for these rifles is military surplus/production over runs, and is FMJ (Full Metal Jacket) or “ball” ammo, meaning that the bullets are designed NOT to expand on impact…a requirement of the Geneva convention, as expanding bullets were felt to be overly lethal, and produce more ghastly injuries when not fatal, and were not required to meet military objectives.

In contrast, many state game agencies forbid the use of FMJ ammunition, as it is again, too likely to result in a wounded animal escaping. FMJ bullets may be required for Pachyderms, however.

In short, “high powered, military style assault weapons” is an oxymoron. It is either a deliberate distortion intended to make these firearms seem more dangerous than they actually are (no firearm is safe) and stir support for their banning. Or it is a repetition in ignorance after exposure to such propaganda.

If semi-automatic versions of military rifles are not suitable for hunting, it is because they are insufficiently powerful or lethal, not because they are overkill.

It was just confirmed my friend is among the dead.

Fuck.

Ugh. Sorry for your loss.

You miss the instruction? Even if you didn’t you both should know better than bringing in your bickering as a hijack. Take it to The Pit. BobLibDem you are on rapidly thinning ice as it is. There will be no other breaks given.

Since you decided to double down on the hijack and disregard of Mod instructions with an insult this is an official warning. Knock it off.

KFI’s Bill Handel show (LA radio station) is mentioning GoPro cameras were found.
Suggesting YouTube videos from assailants to follow, perhaps being edited now by ???

i’m so sorry. may his memory be eternal.

OR…and I’m really going out on a limb here…they may find pictures of them sailing or mountain biking.

Very sorry to hear that. Condolences.

So sorry. RIP

Im so sorry to hear this.

Apologies - did not see the mod instructions.

Is there still believed to be a third shooter at large, or were those initial reports believed to be incorrect?

Just the two shooters. Reports of a third suspect were incorrect.

Police Chief says no cameras found. (bad KFI:mad:)

3rd guy may have been running from gunfire, he is cleared.

Bomb making equipment found at house.

gossip:
neighbors may have some “interesting” clues, much late night traffic at house etc.

My apologies, I had indeed missed this bit of instruction.

My opinion is that the motive will never be understood, unless someone at the party can recall them taking great offense at something or if a search of their home reveals something that may shed some light. Is it workplace violence or a terror cell? I’m not sure we’ll know. I want to know what happened to the third person- did he/she exist?

Perhaps it is a “terrorist cell” that became annoyed with folks at work. :dubious:

Sorry Maggie.:frowning:

Sorry to hear about your friend. :frowning:

So did I, so my apologies for the hijack (and to BobLibDem).

Regards,
Shodan

The media is now saying that details are emerging that Farook had contact with international terrorism suspects and that police are combing the couples’ home and computers for any additional evidence that they were ‘radicalized’. I wish I could say that this comes as a surprise, but sadly, it does not. Whether the holiday party shooting was terror-related or simply how a radicalized individual reacts when he is pissed off, no one knows.

And maggie, I am so very sorry for the death of your friend. Our family lost a friend in the Aurora theatre shooting. I can empathize.