Hmmm… I realize I am beating my head against a wall, but what the heck…
So, by the definitions you have provided- STRICTLY GOING BY THOSE- anyone who is not vegan is the moral equivelent of Hitler, or rather the gas chamber operators?
Oh I would also like to point out that this thread is not a “Circular argument” nor does it even need backing up.
Any idiot with a high school education knows who first defined life and how life is defined, they also are most likely capable of reading a dictionary.
The idea of abortion being alright because it is not killing a life is absurd. A bacterium is living.
The difference is pro-choicers decide to define what it means to be Human.
Hmm…the Nazis did the same thing, they called it Aryans. Everyone else was sub-human and needed to be erradicated, either by fire (Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals so forth), or breeding (most everyone else).
No, even vegans, who consume living organisms, would be condemned by this absurd definition of “murder.” So would anyone who takes medicine to fight an infection.
It seems many here are going to take it to the extreme and ask, “So is everyone hitler?”
Obviously we are killers, being organisms, living as anything but a plant you must be a killer.
One difference, it is our nature to eat certain things.
Unless you are willing to eat a human to survive, there is no reason for you to justify killing a human. We don’t tollerate in OUR society the eating of people.
But while I don’t care if you kill a cow, Hindi do…
The difference is, how do we define human life? You decide human life begins when you come flying out of a pussy.
We decide it begins when a process is set in motion that if not interrupted, will produce a human.
Okay, I’m not sure exactly how seriously I’m supposed to take this argument, but here it goes.
Killing =! Murder. Just because you kill, does not mean that you have murdered something. That’s why there is a totally different word for it.
Do we call killing animals for food, murder? Killing pests so that they stay out of our houses murder? Pulling up weeds?
Even assuming that I agree with your point that the fetus is ‘alive’ -and to be fair, i do- doesn’t mean that I agree that the killing of a fetus = murder. If you’d like, I can take you through my logic.
Killing in self-defense, in my experience, is never considered murder. Given the very real threats to the physical and mental well-being of the mother in even the most ‘routine’ pregnancy, the mother’s desire to abort always trumps the fetus’ right to appropriate resources during gestation, and to threaten the mother’s health.
Though, I guess I could just call ‘Godwin’ and be done with it. Holocaust, indeed.
Well, then its not murder…as its legal to have an abortion in the US. As for ‘taking life’…do you eat? I ‘take life’ every day just by consuming food. If you mean HUMAN life, well, 10’s of thousands die each day from murder, starvation, disease, etc. Why not focus your efforts THERE, especially for those actual children and adult humans who are suffering, starving, etc, instead of nosing into someone elses business about abortion??
A fetus can’t think or reason. It can’t exist on its own. Its just a mass of cells that has the POTENTIAL to become a human.
Again, whats your point. We ‘end life’ every day. So what??
As to the Holocaust thing…nice Godwinization there (and in the OP to boot). Get real.
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I find it interesting liberals always attack grammar and spelling when they can’t attack the argument.
To dumb it down for the rest of you.
The argument is thus:
Abortion is killing a fetus (not murder, just killing).
Nazis “killed” Jews, (Not murder as they sanctioned it, they believed it was alright).
The Nazis did this by dehumanizing the Jews, we dehumanize fetuses by saying they have no conciousness or such, and some to the extent that they are not alive.
What I find is pro-choicers can not really admit that their morals are less justifiable than pro-lifers.
Because while pro-lifers would rather just protect the life of the fetus, pro-choicers decide to objectify the situation.
And so you must know so you don’t have to bring it up, to save the mother is quite alright.
I was attacking my own grammar, o enlightened one!
Equating your opponents to Nazis is not going to win you many arguments or friends, I suggest you change your approach. Please stick around, we haven’t had anyone this amusing since Chumpsky.