Another reason to hate the Braves

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That’s still a decade earlier than the last Indians series triumph, but I appreciate your restraint. In light of the recent Indians dominance (within the, ahem, AL Central), it is wise to be pragmatic, but you would be remiss if you did not take this little fact and saved it for later.

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A first class organization would not have fucked Hargrove like they did. I realize Phil hates him, and I also realize that he is currently stinking up the joint in Baltimore, but the fact is that he consistantly won and was an out away from a WS triumph and he never ever had pitching.

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I see this the start of something special, actually. Which is fine with me, since it does not involve the likes of the Red Sox, Orioles, Braves or Indians winning it - teams I would love to see never win a game again.

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Your team is up 8 games over a team that dominated them for that many years almost, you’re in the Pit and THAT is what you come up with? :rolleyes:

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Winning is not evil, it’s the American way.

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That would be five, actually. 1977 and 1978, and three times in the last four years. Also, we made it to the series and lost in 1976 and 1981. Winning a championship every seven years is not horrible at all, and being in seven World Series’ in that span is soemthing almost every other team would kill for - your Sox included.

In fact, during this “lull,” only the Dodgers could claim a span which was more productive - not including the halcyon years from the '20s to the early '60s for the Yanks themselves, of course.

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I am not old at 31. Yet, in the time I remember (not just since I was born, but within my memory), I have celebrated five championships, two times we lost the series, and a couple of years of post-season play. And this does not include 1994, when we were headed towards a possible WS with Montreal (both teams had the best record at the time of the strike).

I would say that this is better than just about any franchise in history of recent memory, including the Cowboys and 49ers of the NFL, only slightly surpassed by the Bulls, IMHO.

And you know what? If the Yanks can’t do it, I’m all for the Jays and Sox doing it. The fans are appreciative (unlike Braves fans who can’t attend playoff games and Red Sox fans who are just bitter after 80+ years of the Bambino’s Curse), the players are young, energetic and have my respect, and hey - We can’t win it every year.

Yer putz,
Satan :wally

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Fucked? The guy loses the big enchilada twice in three years, including once because of his own poor decisions regarding who is on the mound; then pulls a historical gaffe by going up 2-0 over Boston in the 1999 Division Series then dropping the next 3 games? The guy wrote his own ticket out of town.

The players consistently won, often in spite of Mike Hargrove, who let his long-term “goals” and clever “100-win” catchphrases blind him to performing any effective managing.

. . . at which point he calls in Jose Mesa, who is nearly at the bottom of a continuing downward spiral, only about a tenth as effective as he was the two seasons prior, and already had two blown saves in the ALCS v. Baltimore. Good thinking. Oh, yes, and even though the scheduled starter for Game 7 was Charlie Nagy, who had 15 wins that season along with postseason experience and 227 strikeouts that season (7th in the AL), he decided to start Jaret Wright on two days’ rest after he had pitched in the snow in Game 4, and was 8-3 with an ERA over 4 in 16 starts that season. But, he was getting the headlines, so he was the starter. That’s how Hargrove manages.

There’s a very good reason why the David Wellses and the Roger Clemenses and the Pedro Martinezes of the league didn’t want to come to Cleveland–they didn’t want to work with Mike “Doesn’t Know How To Use Pitchers” Hargrove.

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Now, let me count those Yankee World Championships… Three in the last four years… Twenty five in our history…
Yer putz,
Satan :wally

Can’t wait for more games between my beloved White Sox and the Yankees…gotta love that Knoblauch. But seriously, no player deserves to have as crazy a couple of days as he had.

Hope we can have a good clean battle between our teams.

Joseph

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Well, Phil, all I can say is look at the Indians this year.

I think they’be been better, and they’re not considerably worse as far as personell goes, IMHO.

Admittedly, you watch them more than I do, but I see the record, I catch what i can, and the fact is you don’t like Hargrove much.

Yer putz,
Satan :wally

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You people make me sick whining about this Braves vs Yankees vs Indians shit. Be happy with what you have.
After all you could be an Orioles fan like me.

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Your team is up 8 games over a team that dominated them for that many years almost, you’re in the Pit and THAT is what you come up with? :rolleyes:
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I like Phil. We might disagree about a lot of things, but I enjoy his company. Some of my best friends are Indians fans.

I also think that my position as a White Sox fan living in the Chicago area is colored by my enviornment. I view all the other AL teams as “lodge brothers.” Occasionally, there’s a rivalry, like with the Indians, but we play together on the all star team, and I always pull for the AL team in the Series, because if the AL wins the series, you can logically argue you’re in the company of champions, and your team is better.

I can’t even hate the Yankees. This is partly because my Dad was a Yankees fan when he was a kid (he idolized Mickey Mantle). But by the time I was at an age where I understood the powers that be in baseball, the Yankees were a nothing team. Even when they won in the 70s, it felt so manufactured, how could you hate them? I liked Billy Martin. I liked Bob Lemon. Many White Sox fans vehemently hate the Yankees, but that hatred is born of old prejudice from another era.

No, I reserve my baseball hatred for the Cubs. It comes with the territory, I suppose. When neither big league club in town has won the series since the October Revolution, and I was in diapers that last time the Sox won the pennant, you tend to focus on what’ll get you through a long, dead end season. Despite the fact that the White Sox have historically been a more competitive team, and up until the 1994 strike, consistently outdrew the Cubs year after year, today, and always, its been a Cub town. And I don’t get it. The Cubs have the financial strenght to build an organization like the Yankees, Dodgers, Braves, or Indians, but they can’t get it right. They have a record of failure that outstrips any in the history of modern sport. They sell an image of beer, sunshine, a quaint little bandbox of a park, and most importantly, the ghost of Harry Carry. It has nothing to do with baseball. Yet, they’re considered the most popular team in Chicago.

Well, hopefully, a winning Sox team will turn that around, and bring forth goodness and righteousness where once there was only a plethora of Cubbie-blue evilness.

By the way, I agree with Phil. Hargrove could never handle a pitching staff. It reminded me of Tony LaRussa when he was with the White Sox. The damnest decisions as to when to leave someone in, or pull him, and then, who he brings in as a reliefer. Gads! Its got to be tough on a community’s psyche to know you could have won it all but for the goof in the dugout.

Soxfan59
“AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Go White Sox!” Andy the Clown

[Edited by TubaDiva to fix word wrap. Sorry.]

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Luv ya,

NM

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Satan is amazingly admirable for two things right off, he has the good sense to hate the Braves, and his persitant attempt to quit smoking. I commend you Satan.

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Right, and Steinbrenner has been great the past several years too, yet people still bring HIM up, don’t they?

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Gee, you lost one pitcher. Yes, a damn good one, but it happened when you had plenty of time to deal with it, and your other pitchers have held up. everytime I look up, we have another of our pitchers on the DL.

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While I was gloating when we kicked your teams ass last year, and immediately leading up to it, i defy you to see a gloating Yankees post from me before September - let alone before the All-Star break!

Of COURSE I’ve slammed the braves. But I did it in thread sdevoted to such a thing. This one was not about the Yankees, yet they were brought up. I guarantee I would not have brought up my disdain for the Braves (let them beat us come October… pause to regain composure from the laughter… Okay, almost composed… laughing again now… okay, I’m composed now… and I might care enough about them to do so) in a thread about, say, the White Sox. Heck, I didn;t bring them up in my All-Star thread I started before, now didn’t I? And I did bring up the evil Red Sox and cross-town leech Mutts too!

Oh please. You’ll have a Wild Card team knock you out.

Again.

And learn how to use the quotes feature right, please. I know that computers just made it as far south as you are, but you can try and catch up with civilization, okay?

Yer putz,
Satan :wally

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WAAAAAAAA!!! I seem to recall that last year the Braves lost Lightenberg, Lopez, and Galaraga for the whole damn season and still made it to the World Series. This year its Smoltz, Seanez, Perez for the whole year and we don’t seem to be making excuses…oh, thats probably because we’re in first place.

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Satan,

OOOOOOOOOO you dissed my quoting style. Well I am so burned, or not. I really don’t care if you do not think my way of quoting is correct. It is faster than cutting and pasting and it still communicated my thoughts.

Now your logic seems to be “the thread title has Braves in it not Yankees so therefore no one should mention the Yanks”. Wait, your shitting me right ? I mean you don’t really think that way do you ? Seems most of the board doesn’t. So call it a hijack if it makes you feel better. My point is if you attack my team I will attack yours. Sorry if that hurts your feelings Luci, deal with it.

It is after all, just the greatest game on Earth.

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To HELL with tradition! To HELL with 100 million dollar team salaries!

We’re sick of you, East coast!

The REAL action is in the AL West. A’s and Mariners. It’s a safe bet that the wild card will belong to the West this year. I’d say the A’s will take it. The Mariners will have the division.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

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This is the SECOND time in this thread where a Braves fan thought that a bunch of repeating vowels made a flame.

Unless of course the addition of four extra exclamation points somehow brought it all hom, eh?

Putz.

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Yep! And your point would be?

I was asked why we’re not doing as well as we should be. I answered it. ZThe Braves would have been a far better team last year without those injuries, and we would be far better if we didn’t have ours.

When asked a question, fucko, I generally like to answer it. I did. You don’t like the answer? Well, I didn’t like the question, but I managed to not get all personally offended at it.

You Braves fans seem to be walking contradictions…

How can you be so proud of first place in June and then not even sell out playoff games in early October?

Maybe because you know that the crash is soon to some, eh? And maybe that is so distant from now that you can either ignore history or somehow hope against hope that this year will somehow be different? giggle

Yer putz,
Satan :wally

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Kiva, you will be sooooo bummed when the Angels win the west.

I, for one, am pumped about this weekends Braves-Mets series. So much drama, so much on the line, the teams so close together…

I’m light-headed, I gotta lie down…woohoo

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…I’m going to agree with a - shudder - Yankees fan.

The pain, the pain!!

Seriously, though, I agree to some extent. While I grew up watching the Braves on WTBS (yes, that’s right, all those years ago, when their shows started on the hour and half hour, instead of five minutes after), and I’ve always been a fan, some of the other fans are not quite up to par. If I didn’t live seven hours away and subsist on a crap wage I’d be at the field every chance I get. I’d be begging for playoff tickets. So a hearty “fuck you!” goes out to all those who live in the area and stay home. Of course, another “fuck you” goes out to the price gougers at the stadium who make it impossible for anyone to enjoy a game without taking out a loan.

As one who suffered - and I do mean suffered - through the World Series losses (thanks to Charlie “Death in October” Leibrandt for starting that ball rolling), I can only say this: please, God, don’t let them choke this year.

That said… I hate the Yankees. :smiley:

off to burn her own fingers for typing the heresy that is this post

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Third time must be a charm, eh?

In language a Braves fun must understand: Puuuuuuuuuuuuuutz.

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Actually, I dissed your inability to use the quoting feature. Much like most Braves fans, you HAVE no style, “quoting” or otherwise.

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It was a bitch to read, even for someone not brought up in the Atlanta school system. And what it essentially said was that everything there was a quote, which essentially misquotes what I said as your words.

While it is perfectly understandable that you would want to take my words as your own, this isw plagurism, misleading and unethical.

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Lets see… 7630 registered posters… 7 who posted anti-Yankees bile. That would mean that .09% of the board seems to have confused this with a Yankees-bashing thread. Now, let me explain that to you: That is NOT “most of the board.” It is not “most” of 1& of the board even. I’m sure this math stuff is hard and all, but please do try.

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I call it like I see it.

Right now I see a walking, talking turd in a Braves cap.

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I imagine in lieu of defending the attack… Oh wait. You CAN’T defend the attack. This was a classless move from an organization which wouldn’t know class if it was forced to attend class. And you cannot defend this at all, and instead, you have to change the topic to some other team.

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Hurt my feelings? Please. Remembr how you felt when Jim Leyritz’s home run cleared the left field wall against your closer tying up the game in 1986? Now THAT is hurt feelings.

You actually made me laugh quite bit here, sonny.

That would be football, but it’s the greatest game still being played now.

Yer putz,
Satan :wally

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spooje wrote:

No, by the time the Angels finally win the division, I’ll be soooo dead.

I’ll admit that the Angels are playing much better than expected, but that’s not saying much.

Maybe in 80 or 90 years time, though.
Satan, evil incarnate, prince of darkness, bane of the righteous, Yankees fan, wrote:

Football?! Football!?!
Football isn’t even a sport. Football is just a lot of heavily padded men standing around for a long time, then running for a very short time, then standing around for a long time again. And they say baseball is boring.

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Sorry to upset you Satin, but my school days were spent as a military brat in Oklahoma, Kansas, Virginia, Colorado, and yes . . . North Carolina.

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As I am sure you are aware when you wrote this misleading statement (hey I give you the benefit of the doubt), I was not refering to anti-yankee sentiment but rather to the amount of posters who go somewhat off subject in a thread. That number I can assure you is much higher than one.

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Clever line, unfortunately the statement is ludicrious. The Braves are known to have one of the classiest teams in baseball. I can assure you many of the press both in Alanta and otherwise mention this often.

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Well in my eyes you just disqualified everything you have said previously . . . obviously you are quite delusional.

  • NM
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Oh, and by the way . . . David Justice ??? Thats your big offensive savior ? David freakin Justice ?? Oh thats rich, LMAO. Yeah he and Sosa are basically the same player . . . uh huh . . . right.

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Is this not a great irony for this thread? David Justice, former Braves star, comes to the Yankees.

As for the Justice/Sosa comparison, I think the Yanks are better off with Justice. Sammy is the antithesis of “team.” Which is why he fits in so well with the Cubs.