I say you are incorrect. There hasn’t been a sudden rise in rates of autism in the last 15 years. Or 20 I should say. You are wrong.
The cause is obvioualy access to health professionals and higher family income. Gotta do something about that.
When did you stop beating your wife?
See, we can also make up (I hope this is made up) totally false premises and draw stupid conclusions too!
Speaking of absolute morons who are anti-vaxxers, here’s a freaking nurse who refused flu vaccine yet still wants to work around vulnerable patients.
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Ok, Larry Kook, I assume that you are trying to drum up support for your latest sketchy GoFundMe campaign.
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Changes in diagnostic criteria and educational inclusion mean that we see more ASD today than 40 years ago. Back in my day, people who were (today) on the spectrum were either isolated in special learning environments (“special” school,) or they were the weird kids in regular classrooms.
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Ask my grandmother how harmless measles is. She spent her life half blind and half deaf from measles. Her youngest sister died from the same.
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Better yet, take notes from my grandmother in law. She practiced medicine from 1938 (just before the age of antibiotics) until 1980 (after smallpox had been fucking eradicated due to robust immunization.)
On average, vaccines have a 1:1000000 chance of complications. Better odds than every VPD, you potato.
There are more homosexuals today than there were before vaccines became popular.
VACCINES GIVE PEOPLE “TEH GAY”!!!
(I know someone who actually believes this about abortion causing a “hostile uterine environment” that makes future children more likely to be gay)
Wow. I haven’t heard that story in over a decade. You’re off by a fact of 50 - autism takes place at a rate of about 1 in 270 among the Amish International Meeting for Autism Research: Prevalence Rates of Autism Spectrum Disorders Among the Old Order Amish - this is of course a preliminary study; the actual rate may be somewhat higher.
If you’re right that the Amish don’t vaccinate, you’ve just provided proof that autism is not caused by vaccination.
Not it is not.
Not even close.
And yet those fewer shots had hundreds if not thousands more antigens than the modern vaccines.
Refute and abandon your child-killing ideas.
Debating against the begged question of you delusional child-killers is not a worthy way to spend time. Prove your premise in the first place.
(and no…screaming “autism rates are SKYROCKETING” like Facebook Banshee is not proving your premise. Autism diagnosis has increase because science & medicine progresses, unlike the crowd of Preventable Disease Preservation Club members you hang out with.
Larryh1012,
Just out of curiosity, what would you approximate is the relative increase incidence of autism between those that are vaccinated vs those that aren’t. 3-fold? 5-fold? 10-fold? 100-fold?
Presumably if you are ascribing a causal link between the two that is so obvious that anecdotal evidence is sufficient to prove it, it would have to be a quite large effect. If your chances only increase by say 50%, then its clear there are other factors more important than the vaccine.
Then how do you explain the results of this trial.
In which among children of 5 years of age, of the 45,568 children who received two doses of the MMR vaccine only 0.53% of them were autistic, compared to 0.83% in the 40495 children who only received one dose, and the 0.72% of the 7,732 who were unvaccinated. Now admittedly the effect tilts a little bit in the direction of higher incidence in those that are vaccinated once you account for various demographic factors, and the uncertainty grows such that the results are consistent with MMR vaccine contributing anywhere from a 31% decrease to a 51% increase, with the center being right at MMR having no effect what so ever.
How is it that the unvaccinated children in this set had such high levels of autism or the vaccinated children had such low levels of autism in this group? What was special about them didn’t we see the 3, 5, or 10 fold increase that must exist in the general population in order for the vaccine autism connection to be as obvious anecdotally as you say it is?
Now you might dismiss this study as coming from “BIG PHARMA” maybe the fudged the data in order to reap illicit financial rewards, the same way Andrew Wakefield fudged his data in order to reap illicit financial rewards. But the authors come from three different institutions, two of them represent health insurance companies, one of them the A.J. Drexel Autism institute.
The health insurance companies have no reason to hide a MMR/autism connection, just the opposite. Autism is a very expensive disease to treat, and a lot of the cost of that comes from their coffers. If they could prevent it they would. Similarly vaccines cost them money so if fewer people vaccinated they would save money. Now I will admit they are not entirely altruistic in their motives with respect to this study. They they have a self-serving profit-driven interest in propagandizing the idea that vaccines are safe. This is because, measles mumps and rubella are also very expensive diseases to treat, so they have a greedy mercenary interest in keeping your kids healthy.
Something we should know about, Lacunae?
In 2010, the World Health Organization (WHO) set some ambitious goals for fighting measles worldwide. By 2015, they wanted to reduce the number of deaths caused by measles by 95 percent compared to 2000. They set similarly ambitious targets for vaccination rates and measles infections.
The world has not reached these goals. And between 2016 and 2017, there was an alarming uptick in measles cases worldwide, according to a joint report by the WHO and CDC. “Complacency about the disease and the spread of falsehoods about the vaccine in Europe, a collapsing health system in Venezuela, and pockets of fragility and low immunization coverage in Africa are combining to bring about a global resurgence of measles after years of progress,” said Dr Seth Berkley, CEO of Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance, in a statement about the report.
Are the immigrant children we are keeping in [del]concentration camps[/del]holding facilities being vaccinated and, if so, for what?
Depends on what you mean by “conspiracy”, which is a weasel term that means whatever whoever is using it wants it to mean. My main point is that it is sort of hypocritical to make fun of people for not believing experts, when the whole problem began due to abuses of misinformation by a formerly trusted expert. People aren’t misled because they are stupid, or lack common sense, they are misled because our current way of life is built upon rewarding the creators of misinformation, and discovering the truth is hard work and requires training and practice. It also requires a huge amount of resolve and vigilance to navigate the line between cynacism and optimism without spinning off into either naivety or paranoia. People fail because being a person is difficult. Is it better to help navigate the obstacles or kick them back into the hole they got stuck in?
I wonder how many of the rabid anti-immigrant types are also anti-vaxxers.
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You ignorant sluts. Don’t yo know that MILK causes autism?
The actual number of vaccines (for those playing back home) is 10.
Falsely inflating the number of vaccines by counting total number of doses* is a standard part of the antivax playbook. It’s like telling someone whose physician prescribed them an antibiotic to be taken twice daily for two weeks, “Omigod! Your doctor is giving you 28 antibiotics!!!”
Speaking of kind and gentle language, one well-known antivaxer just published an online article proclaiming (in all caps) that “PEDIATRICIANS ARE BABY-KILLERS” and that “VACCINES ARE THEIR WEAPON OF CHOICE”.
Mustn’t call such folk antivaxers though, as that wouldn’t be nice.
*not that larryh1012 can count accurately - total doses are about half what’s he claiming.
Imagine you’re knee deep in raw sewage, you daft fucker.
Yer daft, boyo. In a debating competion, the premise has to be articulated before the opposition can be asked to debate against it.