Who’s got a George W joke to tell so we can discuss what fucking moron he was too?
A real story or should it be a lie to balance out the original?
Ahem. The accepted cheese are Cheese Whiz, Provolone, and American. Swiss is a never, but you can use chedder slices in a pinch if you must. Anything else is pretty much off the table. Don’t let any of the tourist trap goons from Pat’s and Gino’s try to tell you it is Cheese Wiz or nothing - that is a lie from incompetent cheesesteak makers.
Hey, anyone stupid enough to hand their kid over to a MAMA GRIZZLY has that coming!
The story as recited in the OP is one of those stories that is so pat, so formulated, so over-the-top clean-cut stereotypical that I have trouble understanding how any adult would assume it might be true.
So why do you suppose so many people tell it and believe it?
Or as **Shodan **suggested, why do/did liberals believe the Bush National Guard debacle?
Because its all true. I am perfectly at ease with saying that CBS/Rather screwed the pooch royally by accepting documents with a shaky provenance as actual documents. But so what? The only thing that shows is that perhaps his commanding officer did not express documented contempt for the young Mr. Bush.
I personally knew any number of young men who have given their right testicle to join the National Guard. (Note to Puppy Dopers: in those days, we didn’t send the National Guard overseas on harebrained military adventures.) Young George walked a velvet carpet straight into the Texas Air National Guard. Does anyone still doubt it was due entirely to his father’s position? Or would someone like to make the case that it was due to his extraordinary talents and abilities?
I had friends and relatives drafted and sent straight into the shit. But George was exempt, George was privileged. That he is not publicly and bitterly ashamed of that fact is quite enough for me. The rest of it is also damning, but window dressing for the essential fact.
A lot of people are stupid and gullible.
A lot of people believe in space aliens abducting humans. That’s stupid. A lot of people believe in ESP. Stupid. A lot of people believe Barack Obama is a Muslim. You know what? They’re stupid.
Just because many people believe something does not make it a valid position to hold. Ignorance isn’t a point of view.
I don’t even know precisely what it is you’re referring to. Bush’s National Guard service has been the subject of fairly complex discussion and investigation and lies and bullshit and accusations. I don’t remember it ever being described in the form of your OP; as a ridiculously fake morality tale.
If you can provide an example of the National Guard thing being presented as a silly little story anyone with an IQ above 90 should be able to sniff out as phony, and then present to me evidence that many “liberals” believed it as truth, then I would have to assume that those people are really fucking stupid.
No, but as Rand Rover would say, it is their opinion, regardless of the reasons behind it.
As Bill Maher quipped, “back then it was a way to get out, now it’s a way to get in. It’s a dirty trick we’ve played on these kids : they think they signed up for paintball on the week-ends, they wind up in Fallujah !”
And that’s how conservatives decide who should be president
Nope. Most of the conservatives were going to vote for Bush anyway. It’s the folks in the middle, or those not really aligned with either party that make the difference.
Do you think any of those people actually made their decision based on what kind of cheese Kerry wanted on his cheesesteak?
I think that was one part of the meme that he was “not in touch with regular folks”. I think it was pretty clear that Mr Moto offered that as just one example, especially since he listed at least one other. Kerry was an easy target in that sense.
But my point was that conservatives don’t need an excuse not to vote for a Democrat. Those in the middle do. And let’s face it, Americans aren’t known for being deep political thinkers. I don’t think you would find that hard to agree with.
On the one hand, in my time working as a short-order cook in Philadelphia, I never once saw anyone order a cheesesteak with Swiss (we could have done it if someone asked for it; it just never happened). On the other hand, though, I’ve seen them with enough other cheeses that Swiss hardly seems heretical. It’d be a much bigger deal if he had ordered it with lettuce or something.
I don’t buy for a second that anyone gave a shit what kind of cheese Kerry put on his cheeseteak. The meme that he was seen an “elitist” (as if Bush wasn’t) came from the right wing media. True, a lot of voters acn be very shallow and arbitrary, but they’re not THAT shallow. I think Kerry was hurt primarily by the swiftboat smears and by the gay marriage referendums. Those are the things that get shallow thinkers to change their votes, not how they order their cheesesteak.
You could be right. At any rate, we’re both in agreement that it isn’t the way conservatives decide who should be president, per Dan Blather’s post. I’m not even sure if he meant that seriously anyway.
Now I want a cheesesteak.
And I want mine with Swiss Cheese. But then, I put Swiss Cheese on any sandwich I’m having with cheese.
Does that make me an elitist?
It’s not the way conservatives decide, but it’s the way they hope swing voters will decide. I suppose both sides do it – try to create some phony issue out of nothing and act like it matters, not because they sincerely believe themselves that it matters, but because they hope that others will – maybe the thing with George Bush Sr. seeming puzzled by a supermarket scanner would be an example of left doing it.