Any WWE fans in the audience? (Part 1)

Quick notes on the Rumble…

Good to see Zach Ryder is still alive.

Sad to see Bryan and Ziggler treated like jobbers.

Good to see DDP hand out some Diamond Cutters!

Hopefully Bubba Ray is here to stay, he brought D-Von with him, and the Ascension is on their short list.

I was pleasantly surprised by the triple threat match.

“European Football Chant?” LOL.

The Philly crowd did not disappoint.

Screw Dwayne.

I finished off a bottle of Jim Beam Honey during the Rumble so tomorrow my thoughts may change. Overall I give a thumbs up.

Everything he said…but opposite.

Nothing about that made sense. It made no sense to eliminate people SO quickly, it made no sense to eliminate Bryan that quickly, it made no sense to have the “final sweep” be goddamn Kane and goddamn Big Show (how is he still relevant???), it made no sense to have Rusev magically come in at the end to do jack shit, it made no sense for Rock to appear…just nothing about that made any semblance of sense.

Where is RKO? What does this mean for Mania? Rock is gonna have a match? Against whom? why?

I mean…they pulled it out of their ass last year and it was great…here’s to hoping

Heeheeheeeeeee Reigns got the shit booed out of him!!! And he and the Rock had to act like it was all cheers. AWK-WARRRRRRD!

Well, my picks blew chunks. DB apparently came back too soon because WWE already had intended to have RR win for months. There’s no room for Bryan at the top, so he’s going to have to be the Kane counterpart for the heels, the main event loser.

Glad to see Bubba Ray back. Hope he stays for a good long while and Devon can join him. What’s the deal with having R. Poof be a surrogate Dudley? Maybe they’re going to have Bubba mentor him so he can get over. I liked his “Little Jimmy” angle before.

So, is WWE going to turn Reigns heel, or just assume the Philly reaction was an anomaly? They seemed to book some real babyface value for Brrrrrock, having him come back from disaster to retain the belt. Roman hasn’t done the Phoenix rising from the Ashes thing before that I can recall, but his face became the crimson mask tonight. If the mask was Fu Manchu.

Okay, so the three bad tag team matches don’t even need mentioned.

I will say, regardless of storyline, anything else, the Triple Threat was legit good. All three guys I feel did an amazing job. The interference from J&J seemed a bit annoying/ill placed for a match that was really cooking, but then the double AA spot kinda made it worth the pay off just for the laughs.

The Royal Rumble was plain awful. Even ignoring the ending, the match building up to it was poorly executed and uninteresting. I wouldn’t say Reigns had been hated before this, in fact the super man punch usually got the crowd going even if Reigns himself wasn’t that much over, but I feel like the “WWE Universe” collectively turned on Reigns when they realized “Whoa, this isn’t just the guy who has a few cool spots and was part of the SHIELD, they’re actually going to put this guy who can’t talk on a mic or wrestle a match in the main event of WrestleMania” and got pissed. Hell, that’s how I felt. Oh well, it’s just wrestling, but WWE has done this before. You cannot force a face down people’s throat, Vince can waste his money on this for months but it just won’t work. Even if Reigns improves his mic and ring skills it won’t matter now, because you’ve forced him on the fan base at a skill level simply not justifying it, they will hate Reigns.

John Cena sells millions of dollars and merchandise and brings tons of kids and their parents to all the shows, while he’s not popular on the Internet John Cena isn’t a “manufactured” star, he legit sells huge amounts of tickets and merchandise. But Reigns? He won’t do either. I can guarantee you Roman Reigns t-shirts aren’t going to start selling like hot cakes and people aren’t going to be buying Network subscriptions or going to the shows because of Roman Reigns, simple truth. It’s possible with 3-4 years of seasoning Reigns may have become a legit star, but now that they’ve done this it can never happen for him. Basically we’re seeing Jack Swagger 2.0. A guy the powers that be decide have the “look” and fuck the fans, he’s gonna be “the guy.” But again, you can’t force a face on people. Not when he isn’t moving merchandise and isn’t selling tickets (Cena does both, despite him being booed by half the fans.) Reigns is going to be the next Jack Swagger.

What’s crazy is they’ve almost tainted Rock with this, Rock had/has been almost a god in WWE whenever he’s dropped in, but his association with Reigns has almost done that in now.

Probably the weirdest take away from the night is how little WWE seems to care about the traditional concepts of heels and faces. The only guy they’re getting this right on right now is Seth Rollins, he’s booked as a heel, wrestles as a heel, and largely is reacted to as a heel and acts like a heel.

But then you have Brock Lesnar who is booked as a heel but wrestles as a face. In both Summerslam, Night of Champions, and tonight, he wrestled as a straight face. Actually tonight Cena wrestled as a heel against Brock–he used a weapon on Brock while Brock never broke any of the rules against Cena. Cena even teamed up with Rollins a little bit in the beginning against Brock (another heel thing, typically in a triple threat two heels team up on the face.) Brock also was acting as a face by being put on a stretcher then coming back into the match.

Brock’s reaction has been mixed ever since beating Cena at Summerslam, but I’d say he’s getting a face reaction at least as much as Cena does.

Then we have Roman Reigns, a guy booed from beginning to end of the Royal Rumble now booked in the “face” spot for the Wrestlemania main event. What’s sad is Brock despite negotiating a terrible (for WWE, great for him) contract is still a legit good “professional wrestler” they spent a ton of money on him to wrestle I think four matches with Cena since 2012, one with Undertaker, and now one with Regins. There were a lot of really legitimate, good matches we could’ve seen Brock in during that span but WWE instead misused him heavily.

Well Vince always said he “listens to the crowd” and that’s how he makes his decisions (despite us seeing that not be the case many, many, many times.) No, WWE will assume the reaction was a Philly reaction and move on, assuming Reigns will work out great. To some degree the vehemence of the boos is probably a Philly thing, but I think the average WWE fan has the opinion that Reigns was okay as part of the SHIELD, but just not developed enough to work a long singles match or cut a decent promo, so they really just aren’t going to be that into him.

Last year they ended up abandoning the plan to make Batista champion, so maybe that happens again here, but my money is on Vince being obsessed with Reigns as his new top guy and come hell or high water he’s going to go over Brock at mania. It’ll be interesting to see how long they try to force a guy that gets booed constantly and can’t sell merchandise onto the fan base.

Up until the Rumble match itself, I loved this show. The Ascension were great. The tag titles match was good. The Divas match… was a Divas match. The triple threat title match, aside from the BS interference by J&J, had me on the edge of my seat and the ending surprised me very much.

The Rumble was garbage. Too many joke entries front-loaded at the beginning, and even if it was good to see Bubba Ray and the Boogeyman and DDP again, they deserved better. Bray spends too much time standing in the ring by himself. Daniel Bryan gets eliminated like a jobber when, even if he wasn’t going to win, he should have gone to the finish. By the end of the match, it was all just a bunch of meatheads doing rest holds. Roman Reigns spends half an hour lying in the corner bleeding on himself, then wins the match by eliminating two middle-aged jabrones who were already former world champions when he was in middle school, and the Rock comes out in a desperate attempt to turn the long-since unturnable tide of the crowd shitting on the whole thing.

Here’s a protip, WWE; if you know in advance that the crowd is going to hate your main event finish, to the point that “let’s fly in a 45-year-old retired wrestler from the '90s to pose with him after the finish” sounds like a good idea, then maybe it’s time to re-examine your booking priorities.

Roman Reigns is booked for the house shows I’m going to in March. I look forward to booing him. :slight_smile:

Unless things have really went to shit, you’ll be doing it solo; house shows tend to be super-marky crowds. Or unless you’re in a smark town, a la Chicago/Phillly/NYC.

Anyway, nothing much to add here beyond what’s already been said. Did love Bray early in the Rumble–he looked strongest he has in months. Reminded me a bit of Steve Austin in 1997, which we were watching before the show as a bit of a warmup. Oh, and according to folks on the CSS podcast, the page to cancel the network has crashed due to traffic. Hopefully folks voting with their wallets will wake ol’ Vinnie Mac up.

Seattle crowds are pretty smarky, especially considering that we’re the closest major city to Daniel Bryan’s hometown. :slight_smile:

So you know how Cole always likes to bring up what’s trending on Twitter?

The current #1 worldwide Twitter trend is “#CancelWWENetwork”.

I have no words.

(Not that I’ll cancel mine - I’m willing to admit they have me by the balls, and it’s less money than I spend on a decent take-out lunch anyway.)

Yeah, the Network is a decent enough value even if you never watch the PPVs (if you’re a wrestling fan), that it’s unlikely I’d ever cancel my sub.

It’s just frustrating, you had a series of fan favorites that had developed organically like Bryan, Ambrose and Ziggler treated like outright jobbers in the Rumble. You had a guy who cannot wrestle, cannot cut a promo, to my knowledge isn’t selling merchandise (you can see a sea of little kids in Cena shirts, I don’t even know what a Roman Reigns shirt looks like), and he’s the one you book to face Brock Lesnar. Brock Lesnar is a guy who, buy the way, WWE has spent a fortune on in the past year and has built him up to be the most unstoppable force in WWE history, and they’re going to have the blow off from all of that be Brock losing to a scrub. A scrub who, after WWE painfully tries to force him on the fan base for a few months will end up getting relegated to Jack Swaggerdom.

In a way you can force a heel on people, because the more you try the more they will genuinely get hated. It’s almost impossible to force a face, if people don’t like him they don’t like him. Most crowds since Reigns return have not hated him like this Philly crowd did, however most of them haven’t been giving him anything close to the reaction Bryan, Ziggler, or Ambrose get.

Reigns really worked well in the shield, he has a few moves that are damn fun to watch, he has a good look, good size. With the two other shield members he was the big guy who could wipe the opponents out near the end of the match, but he’s never developed into a guy who can put on a decent singles match. He can’t cut a promo. Could he some day do those things? Maybe. I really don’t know. Hulk Hogan never developed into an amazing in ring talent, but unlike Reigns for most of Hulk’s multiple face runs Hogan was not forced on the crowd. He had natural charisma and the crowd loved him. When the Hulk gimmick started to fade in the early 90s you saw problems with trying to force him on the fans, and that’s very similar to what WWE is trying to do with Reigns (except Hulk had a huge following of kids and such that hung on with him til the end and his heel turn in WCW, Reigns doesn’t have a huge established following.) Honestly the boos for Reigns remind me somewhat of the cheers for Psycho Sid (then Sid Justice) when he was being booked as a heel and he slapped Hogan around and got wild cheers from the fans. It was near the end of Hogan’s original WWF run, fans were tiring of his old gimmick and they were really liking Sid, and it made WWF booking look bad. I believe WWF even taped over the boos in reairings of that to try and hide reality from the fanbase.

Wow, I seriously gave this a thumbs up last night? See kids, alcohol and shit ass PPVs don’t mix!

Agree with all the things said here, including that I’m keeping my network because it’s cheap and fun (like your mom!).

The thing that I realized about Reigns is that he’s booked as the Main Event at 'Mania, but he hasn’t DONE anything. Name one rivalry he’s had since the SHIELD broke up. You can’t because other than making cameo appearances against The Authority he hasn’t rivaled with anyone or done anything of note. That’s what bugs me about the whole thing more than anything else, he’d paid zero dues and now he’s “generic big man facing another generic big man”. Bryan has a history and has done stuff, Rollins and Ambrose had (have?) a great rivalry that fans loved, Cena is Cena…they all have a reason to be in the main event…not so much Reigns.

I’m holding out a liiiiiiiiiitttttttllllllleeee hope that some wrench is thrown into the plans tonight.

By the end you could really tell WWE was working hard to smother the loud crowd boos from the audio feed.

Damn, I wish my DM would cancel tonight’s game, because I’d kinda like to see the crowd shitting all over Reigns tonight.

And oh yeah, all I could think of at the end was “Die Rocky, Die!” from when The Rock was similarly forced down our throats and people hated the shit out of him. Sure, he eventually became a great star, but that took time and repackaging. Reigns has not held a singles championship at all. They should have started with pushing him as IC or US Champ to see if he could handle it and let him work on his horrid promo skills.

I just wanna say I almost rubbed one off when Paige was on last night. Anyhoo…

RR was worth it for the Triple Threat match, at least. Seth Rollins just has this ability to make any match he’s in awesome. Again, I have to grudgingly admit Cena is a huge asset for WWE, and Brrrrock is not just a brrrrute. He’s been aloof from the WWE, but he seems to be warming his way back into the fold.

I can’t really argue with the booking of the RR itself. It made sense for Kane and Big Show to unite and be too big a front for anybody to eliminate. If anybody else had been in Roman’s place, it would have worked. Rusev and Bray Wyatt came out looking strong, but Zig, DB and Ambrose looked shat upon. Not enough for me to want to cancel. I still want my NXT.

Brock is anything but generic. O.o
Anyway, one of the best things about last night? The look on Rocky’s face when he realized that even he didn’t have enough goodwill to stop that shitstorm.

Will be interesting. The show tonight is in Hartford and they’re predicting more than 2 feet of snow. Will they get in? Will there be a show? Will they get back out for the Smackdown tapings?

The Philly fans REALLY didn’t like the outcome. They blockaded the parking exits. Don’t phuck with Philly.

Time and USA Today are both covering the backlash from last night’s show, and #CancelWWENetwork is still a top trend at this hour.

As utterly shameless as Vince is about pandering for mainstream attention, one wonders if he’s actually going to pay attention to this or just write it off to more lazy millennials.

So I loved the Bullet Club inspired shirts the Swingin’ Rosecats were rocking last night. Went looking for them on wwe.com, to no avail. Turns out the hottest tag team in the E (and Adam Rose) were rocking some not-officially-licensed merch! I wonder if the locker room is starting to think: Screw it–the money’s not worth it, and I can rule the indies for the rest of my career. And so sliding into open rebellion…

Something else about last night: Nothing actually happened.

No titles changed, no one turned face or heel, no rivalries were made or renewed. It was just…nothing.

They literally could have just planted yesterday into tonight’s show since the RR was SHORTER THAN RAW