John Mace, he knows like everybody else it was UBL and the boys but he’d no sooner admit that then he’ll let us know what country he’s posting from. He’s just trying to hide the fact that he’s a pimply 17-year-old in a Belgian cybercafe, putting on this “Islamist” facade like a white American kid pretends he’s a gangsta. There’s no horses, wives, degrees, etc. in any culture for a ‘scholar’ who can’t even perform the most basic research.
Moderator’s Note: Mehitabel, in Great Debates you need to argue against the poster’s positions, not the poster himself. Tone it down or take it to the Pit, or you won’t be posting on the SDMB any more at all.
You’re right, MEBuckner, I forgot myself. I shouldn’t let him push my buttons like that. I’m sorry.
JohMace,
No historian when asked about a certain event where no academic reasearch has ever been done about - and in this case: isn’t even possible yet - shall say that he has come to a conclusion about what caused the event.
We are not talking here about a report on someone who has stolen a car (and even then there is a serious research of the fact necessary to see if the person is guilty or not, no? ) or whatever minor event.
We are talking about something that shaked the world. I have no opinion about the causes and about who is to blame since I have no indepent research avaiblable to examine.
If it ever is available in my lifetime, you can bet on it that I shall get it and if possible shall research on it myself. One of my friends died there.
Is that clear or do you need a drawing.
Salaam. A
Alde!
You act like no research was put into who was responsible for 9/11. Your credibility to be able to debate an issue is not looking good here bud. YOu know research was put into it. Hell, you can aven disagreew ith it, but to claim that it is not there, knowing it is a bald faced flagrant lie, well that just makes you look like a moron.
Why all this dancing around the issue Aldebaran ? Its not like you haven’t given your unreasearched opinion before on other subjects… must of us here depends on the same news sources and logic… no one will do a PhD in 9/11 to be able to say it was this or that group…
I myself think Bush and Osama should live together since they do deserve one another… IMHO. See ? Not research necessary.
The US is going after ObL-- are you saying we don’t have enough evidence to do so? And if you don’t think ObL was behind the 9/11 attacks, why did you title your thread as you did…? After all, he might just be another peace loving Muslim cleric, right?
Thanks.
I think that is was an organized group of religious fanatics duped into doing the bidding of evil men. I am nearly certain the OBL and his lieutenants were mostly behind it. Saddam probably supported what was going on in general but didn’t know specifics.
What do you think of my hypothesis?
Haj
I would add that any independent research into the real flaws in the official story of 9/11 have been stymied at many legal levels whenever possible by the Bush administration. Also I would add that as research is collecting, as it inevitably will in a matter of this magnitude, the official version is showing acute inconsistencies.
I have NEVER seen or heard any OBL confessions to this crime. I HAVE seen a video in which OBL speaks in Arabic, in which he puportedly feels that an American tragedy like this doesn’t bother him at all, and that America deserved it, but he in fact denies culpability on that tape and as far as I know has denied it to this day.
The actual origin and identity of the hijackers has been faked, for WHATEVER reason, and I know of noone who can state their origin and back it up with hard empirical evidence. The actual passport holders in the names of the hijackers have been turning up regularly, and I defy anyone to make the statement that there is no theft, sale, manufacture, and traffic in false identity in the Middle East. The case has not been proven as obvious as it is made out to be.
In my mind, the most questionable factor is motive. Who stood to gain the most from creating a bloodlust in America? Certainly not OBL, Afghanistan, or Iraq, that much is certain. They stood to lose everything and they knew it. Does anybody really believe that OBL would sacrifice his entire system and any allies his movement may have had by such an obvious caper? If you are in the midst of trying to develop WMD’s, for example, do you make a relatively insignificant gesture when your stated goal is much larger? Do you commit a sort of functional suicide just before your plans come to pass? I don’t think OBL is that stupid.
Who thinks that even religious zealots will purposely destroy their own plans by creating a surefire colossal backlash against themselves? Who stood to gain the most by rallying an unprecedented American fury against the Arab world? Who profits from the spoils that are being claimed right now?
This one is waged for profit only, with a made-in-Hollywood facade of righteousness. The vernacular has changed, the media has become vastly more centralised, politically driven, and transparent, and laws are trampled by the White House to prevent ANY real investigation into the flow of information prior to and on the day of 9/11. If you believe wholeheartedly that Oswald acted alone, then you believe that this war is about OBL.
OBL is just another Oswald.
Indications are becoming clearer that the Bush administration knew an awful lot about what was going to happen. Actually , indications are quite clear that the present administration is the most corrupt and deceitful in the history of the nation, but that would be a hijack. Sorry…
Roland Saul, definitely a hijack. I started a new thread though to see what turns up as far as who is behind 9/11, and used your post as part of it. Feel free to back up what you wrote with whatever you have. 
I see Aldebaran was in fine form on this thread. Did he actually answer ANY question? I have read through the thread twice, and I can’t make head or tails out of what he’s trying to say…just a lot of dodging and fancy (well, not so fancy) footwork. Keep up the good work Alderbaran. :wally
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I was recently banned from the SDMB for flaming alde in this thread but after appeal and much grovelling and whining the ban has been lifted.
I thank the mods and would like to apologise to any other member/s who were offended by my postings
Grovel more please… The mods are watching.
May I ask how you came to the conclusion that Hussein was informed? And how did he support it ?
Salaam. A
May I ask how you came to the conclusion that Hussein was informed and how in your view he supported this?
Salaam. A
Bush told him Aldebaran…
I didn’t say he was informed. I wasn’t very clear though. I believe that Saddam in general supported OBL’s activities. By this I mean Saddam’s organization supported OBL’s organization (and vice versa) financially and emotionally. There was probably an exchange of intellegence from time to time as well.
Haj
Hajario,
Let’s examine this a bit further
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Which “Saddam’s organisation” do you have in mind?
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How do you come to the supposition that there was contact between OBL and Hussein
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Which type of intelligence do you suppose they exchanged?
Salaam. A
ALDEBERAN:
Permit me to explain HajariosaysPROBABLY not definitely!
He also said HE BELIEVED.
Please pay attention
Spogga,
I know. I’m trying to find the reasons behind these idea’s/ opinions.
Salaam. A
It’s really quite simple, HAJARIO believes that hussein supported Old Bin Liner.
Those are his reasons…his beliefs