I enjoyed the last episode, but thought the cliffhangerish ending was awful. “Clues” to the identity of a former villain are only interesting if they can actually be deciphered. Otherwise they’re just cryptic sentences.
The Family of Blood was my first guess, since they were trying to be immortal and all. But I really doubt that this will be a former Torchwood/Who villain. They’re trying to go all new with this season it seems.
my money’s on someone(thing) out of jack’s past that we don’t know about, more than likely independent of the whoniverse. remember, longtime torchwood fans, captain cupcake Got Around, before and certainly after his tenure with the doc. who knows who/what he pissed off and for what reason?
he’s what? something like three thousand years old - roughly estimating? that’s plenty enuf time to make a lot of Very Important Enemies. 
Three thousand? I thought a couple hundred.
If you include periods when he was buried for instance, he’s much older than a couple hundred.
I liked the bit where Rex is visibly annoyed with Jack’s “You should have seen the other guy!” joke.
Jack: Oho! Rex doesn’t like his jokes too gay!
Rex: No, I just don’t like 40-year-old men acting like they’re 20.
Setting aside the fact that Jack is actually rather older than that, the neat bit here is that Rex is actually right. Whether due to PTSD, the loss of his immortality, or whatever, Jack really is being wildly irresponsible - it’s totally reasonable for Rex to be irritated, and it’s neat that the writers are reminding us Jack is pretty deeply flawed as a character.
That whole conversation starting with “you are not the one who got impaled” was pure gold. I also like how Jack keeps alluding to how old he really is and Rex keeps treating him like he is crazy.
Question from a newbie (I haven’t seen any of Seasons 1 through 3): in the episode before the last one, when Jack and Oswald were talking, right before the PhiCorp guys came and “escorted” Jack out of the building, the conversation turned to Oswald’s murder of the girl. And I’m pretty sure Oswald, after describing the murder and the feeling he got as she died, said something like “Do you know how that feels, Jack? I think you do.” And the look on Jack’s face kind of made me think that he did indeed know how that felt (although I suppose it could have just been shock and/or disgust).
So – anything to that? I’m assuming Jack has killed people in his career, but has he ever derived any pleasure out of it? Or am I reading too much into the scene?
Thanks!
Jack had to sacrifice his grandson in the previous series, Children of the Earth. I choose not to watch much of COE. I wasn’t comfortable with the plot.
They realise that the audio signal used to kill Clement could be used against the 456. However, it requires that one child act as the focal point for the transmission, likely killing him or her. Jack is left with no choice but to use his daughter Alice’s son, Steven, who is the only child immediately available to them. Jack and Johnson successfully send the signal, amplified through all the other children, and the 456 suffer in pain before withdrawing from the earth. Steven dies and Alice becomes enraged with Jack.
Jane Espenson is live tweeting comments on episode 4 as it airs in the UK.
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One thing about this series is bugging me. I tend to be a nitpicker, to the point where my husband tries to discourage me from watching Dr. Who at bedtime because then I will be up half the night thinking about it.
Anyway, so far we’ve seen that the Miracle brings a different sort of immortality than what Jack used to have. His injuries used to heal on their own, but in this case, people still get sick and injured, but just remain alive and in pain.
However, they are being inconsistent with how much people are affected by their injuries. There was the woman that Dr. Juarez was examining, whose husband tried to strangle her to death, and now she is a vegetable. However, that CIA woman got her neck twisted and all she ended up with was a backwards head. She was not in any visible pain and was able to get up and walk around. Someone even makes a comment about how she should have been paralyzed, but wasn’t because of the miracle. Well then, why are other people seemingly affected enough that they can’t just get up and act normal despite their injuries? (For example, the people in the hospital with Oswald.)
I guess I don’t really have a question, just wanted to throw out that nitpick.
I also think there’s more to Oswald Danes. I have a feeling that it isn’t just mere coincidence that his execution was the same day as Miracle Day.
Based on the description of the episode scheduled to air in the US today, I think we should get some answers as to the nature of the miracle and who is behind it.
Yeah, we really have no idea as to how old Jack actually is at this point. We know he’s 40ish, plus 2000 years buried underground, plus a little bit extra.
We don’t know how much time-hopping he’s done though.
Also, a thought that’s (technically) a Doctor Who spoiler…
Assuming Jack is actually the Face of Boe, and he’s a fixed time and point in space that should live together, could it be Miracle Day sucking energy out of him that makes Jack (eventually) die?
-Joe
In that spoiler the word “together” should obviously be “forever”. Duuuuuh.
-Joe
true that
I just wonder if we will have an appearence of the Doctor during the series, or Jack in the new season of Doctor Who…
I’m confused about what step 2 could possibly be:
- Burn the mostly dead (shut up, you’re not getting better)
- ??
- Profit!
I don’t know that I have any large moral qualms about what they’re doing (other than the issue of misclassification - the brain dead are an obvious case, and then you have to draw a line somewhere that I don’t know where is), and I see where they need to do it with as much secrecy as possible (c.f. Terri Schiavo). I just don’t see what PhiCorp could be getting out of it to want to take the PR hit if people get upset about what happened to grandma.
But I suppose that’s why I’m not a TV show writer.
I’ll never listen to Smoke gets in Your Eyes again without thinking of Torchwood. 
Damn you RTD!
They are speculating now on Gallifrey Base whether the pile of ashes is still alive and aware of their condition.
<shudder>
RTD came up with a pretty horrifying concept. Puts him up there with Steven King. Some of the Torchwood writers said they even discussed miscarriages and the premature fetus living on Miracle Day. :eek: I hope that wasn’t really used in any scripts.
I was wondering about this since we already saw a badly burned man that would not die. And how horrible would it be to say, fall off a boat and be stuck in the ocean forever without being able to drown?
Also wondering what would eventually happen to the Mare Winningham character trapped in the crushed car. She can’t die of thirst or starvation. Will she just slowly get all dessicated and shriveled and turn into a skeleton over months or years, knowing where she is the whole time?
I have been enjoying the series but I didn’t really care for the most recent episode. The evil guy at the overflow camp was so over the top, he just seemed like a caricature. And I don’t entirely buy Dr. Juarez’s actions. I know she feels very strongly about caring for patients but she knew she was in a dangerous position. I would think she would have played it cool so she could go back and tell the others what she found instead of getting angry and telling the guy she would put him in prison. And she should realize by now this whole thing goes pretty high up and this guy would probably have powerful people protecting him.